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#Post#: 22781--------------------------------------------------
NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: Chaseman
Date: May 17, 2024, 3:38 am
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I have received the attached NIP. Location is on the South
Circular Road A205 just to the east of the A23. I was travelling
west and had just ridden back from a motorcycle tour to Germany.
It was a long day and I either didn't realise that the speed
limit on this section was 20 mph or just was not paying
attention to my speed as I was clocked at 30 mph. Date of
offence was 10 May, letter dated 15 May, received on 16 May so
all within time it seems. Is there anything I can do to
challenge this? Like other posters I cannot find the NIP Wizard
on the site. Plenty of references to it but where is it?
#Post#: 22786--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: May 17, 2024, 4:18 am
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> Is there anything I can do to challenge this?
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I can't really think of anything.
The NIP seems to have been served in time from what you say. You
don't seem to dispute that you were exceeding 20mph. That leaves
really whether the limit is lawful and adequately signed.
You should be offered a course for that speed (if you have not
done one for an offence that occurred in the three years prior
to this one).
BTW, you may like to redact some of the information on your NIP,
such as the reference number and passcode and your Reg. No.
#Post#: 22787--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: May 17, 2024, 4:21 am
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The NIP Wizard was a feature of PePiPoo - which had been down on
and off for some time before this site was created by some of
the regulars, and now appears to be down for the forseeable.
It has never been a feature of this site.
Speeding is a strict liability offence. Nothing you have told us
so far indicates a viable defence.
#Post#: 22969--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: Chaseman
Date: May 18, 2024, 7:59 am
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OK thanks both for the advice. I rather doubted these was
anything I could do on this one. I don't doubt I was doing 30
mph. I can't remember when the speed limit changed on this
section of the South Circular but when there is no traffic jam
it's a relatively fast road and hence easy to be caught out by a
20 mph limit. Ironically I used to do this section in the
opposite direction taking my son to school from time to time
(and then going on to work) and was quite aware of the
positioning of the camera but I was not sufficiently alert
coming in the opposite direction and having ridden all day from
Germany.
I last did a Speed Awareness course probably 8-10 years ago so
that's OK. I take it 30 mph in a 20 limit is close enough to
qualify?
How do I redact a post already made? I cannot see an Edit button
anywhere? I agree that having the Ref and Passcode out there
isn't such a good idea. Or can a Moderator do this for me?
I was aware that NIP Wizard was a feature of Pepipoo and thought
with the number of references to it on this site that it was
here also but clearly not.
Here's a GSV ref to where I was nicked for what it's worth. The
camera is clear enough.
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.443725,-0.118909,298.67h,-5.47p,1z,N97PkWf8NXvVtGPPT7gqdw
#Post#: 22978--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: Chaseman
Date: May 18, 2024, 9:35 am
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Well, here's an interesting thing, I marched along the road
using GSV in both directions. I could not find any speed limit
signs until I came to this. Limit shown as 30 mph. Image is
dated June 2023.
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.443914,-0.119616,106.12h,-5.82p,1z,68_3VgkjLaMLdsQkNaAoaQ
I will get the bike out and go and take a look now. If this is
correct then the limit changed within the last 11 months. I
could not recall it being 20 mph.
#Post#: 22982--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: May 18, 2024, 10:23 am
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> I will get the bike out and go and take a look now. If this is
correct then the limit changed within the last 11 months. I
could not recall it being 20 mph.
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TfL is responsible for the A205. The stretch of that road to the
east of the A23 is Christchurch Road and that seems to be (from
your GSV) where you were caught. TfL introduced 20mph limits on
Christchurch Road and Poynders Road (which is the stretch of the
A205 to the west of the A23) in December 2023. I don't know
whether there are any deficiencies in the legislation which
provides for those stretches to be limited or whether the
signage adequately conveys the limit to drivers.
#Post#: 23002--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: Chaseman
Date: May 18, 2024, 1:25 pm
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It's a 20 limit OK. Christchurch Road east of A23. I cannot
complain about lack of signage. Probably just a bit tired and
didn't notice after a 400+ mile ride and only a couple of miles
from home!
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#Post#: 24348--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: Chaseman
Date: May 29, 2024, 6:50 am
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Just had the attached letter. Out of the blue but not
complaining. Wonder what the administrative reasons were?
Out of interest, how far over the speed limit can you be and
still get offered a Speed Awareness Course as an alternative to
penalty points?
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 24353--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: May 29, 2024, 7:39 am
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That's handy! :)
Courses are normally offered up to (Limit+10%+9mph).
#Post#: 24359--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP South Circular Road
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: May 29, 2024, 8:40 am
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Lucky!
Go buy a Lottery ticket!
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