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#Post#: 22766--------------------------------------------------
[Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 – parked
in suspended space]
DIR By: Thor
Date: May 16, 2024, 8:40 pm
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Hello,
First time here :)
A street in Kingston was to be used for filming over two days,
and our council blocked "13 pay-and-display parking spaces
alongside the railway" for the filming crew. Notices were put up
along the road two weeks in advance (see photo no. 1), and
indeed the street was nearly empty on the day, even as the film
crew failed do turn up.
Now, even as the council has legislated "13 parking spaces", the
road markings there don't show any spaces. Not a single one. If
anything, there are three veeeery long parking bays, each able
to accommodate 6-10 vehicles. See photos no. 2 and 3.
Location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/uvBa7oSdjwLMf2nA9
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/uvBa7oSdjwLMf2nA9
One can wonder how does the council expect the 13 imaginary
spaces to be counted (and from which end of the road).
Now, I received a PCN for "parking in a suspended bay or space".
I've appealed, explaining that there're no delineated parking
spaces in that location, and so it's impossible to count
thirteen of them even with best intentions, however my appeal
was rejected (photo no. 4). As is the local tradition, council's
letter included a fair amount of canned responses to questions
that weren't asked.
Now, I wonder whether the council has a right to pursue a driver
for breaching an order that used wording so vague as to be next
to impossible to understand. Also, does "parking space" have to
be designated, or "13 parking spaces" can be simply an estimate
amount of space taken by 13 average vehicles? What's the law
here? What should I do?
Thanks,
Thor
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#Post#: 22773--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: May 17, 2024, 2:34 am
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Please get and pot all the council photos also post the PCN and
your challenge so we can see what can be done
#Post#: 22795--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 17, 2024, 4:53 am
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As I understand it, the driver parked in the clearly delineated
parking place - as regards the kerb which forms one of its
boundaries- and their defence is that the sign which is clearly
visible therein relates only to partial suspension of this
parking place because more than 13 cars could be accommodated
and is therefore unclear as to which lengths of the parking
place are and are not suspended, is this correct?
#Post#: 23281--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 20, 2024, 5:01 pm
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Well the CEO's photos do not establish a contravention:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/cWJhFd9.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/9EsMyHF.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/T2M7Iyo.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/EnxfhKb.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jomeWIz.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/tnB9hij.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/EDKMmRB.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/cjLeTlh.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zSa6dTa.jpeg
There is literally nothing to show where the car is in relation
to any of the signs. Even if there were, the signage needs to be
clear and unambiguous and there is nothing obvious about which
13 spaces the sign refers to.
On top of that, any challenge to a Kingston PCN is almost bound
to succeed and you have a fair chance of getting costs, given
this string of decisions:
Stanmore Quality Surfacing Ltd v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon
Thames (2230464748, 15 February 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q88oTLrU2jQVfF8GH4_qDIrcjnWr9Ozh/view
Stanmore Quality Surfacing Ltd v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon
Thames (2230487415, 23 February 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BsSXu-Op8qxCns4Glwd1ojwu5Y4rSsXk/view
Stanmore Quality Surfacing Ltd v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon
Thames (2230545861, 26 February 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BT9woH9WHHUNmWrhFUGn8MGDNnOJePUM/view
Stanmore Quality Surfacing Ltd v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon
Thames (2240138955, 18 May 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13D9t_RFUl68WIrqcDJjgP8HP0q9o_-bi/view
[member=1763]Thor[/member] is the car registered to you and do
you have the V5C?
#Post#: 23283--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 20, 2024, 5:05 pm
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[member=1763]Thor[/member] If you follow cp's advice, they will
be "hammered". Could not resist the pun. Seriously, do so. I luv
Kingston - not.
#Post#: 35937--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 6, 2024, 1:59 pm
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[member=1763]Thor[/member] I have just checked the status of
your PCN. £110. Where are we in the process? You must stick to
the process and get representations in on time. Their website
is rubbish and I have been through all statutory grounds which
are all unavailable on the site!
I am happy to represent you as they folded when this was raised
a few weeks ago.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/code-27-royal-borough-of-kingston-upon-thames/msg33605/#msg33605
#Post#: 35950--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: mickR
Date: September 6, 2024, 4:00 pm
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am i missing something? the suspension is for loading not
parking
#Post#: 35967--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 6, 2024, 6:29 pm
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
>
> am i missing something? the suspension is for loading not
parking
>
--- End Quote ---
Are you not familiar with the symbol for No Waiting (aka
parking) ? Two of these are on the sign either side of the words
"Suspension No Loading"
#Post#: 105353--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: Thor
Date: January 10, 2026, 10:26 pm
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Update on the case.
I apologise to everyone, and esp.
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member], for the lengthy silence - it
was a rough year for me.
The case went to adjudicators with the following response of
mine:
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gzU26IuEO3NSbFyx_ruBqZf4tjBfoaw5
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gzU26IuEO3NSbFyx_ruBqZf4tjBfoaw5
Attached were photos from the original appeal:
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Am4lB4L7nfWGOM9E0FRP4dGMdtEVNJAQ
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Am4lB4L7nfWGOM9E0FRP4dGMdtEVNJAQ
The local authority has submitted their version - case summary
along with copies of all the past correspondence, photos and
system logs. Selected pages:
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hH6C7pXUUUy-Rw1qskG_pLoL2Kf2j6EY
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hH6C7pXUUUy-Rw1qskG_pLoL2Kf2j6EY
The adjudicator ruled in my favour:
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1koPKojttodEQXo0ZN5hPSg-eSEBULd-E
HTML https://drive.google.com/open?id=1koPKojttodEQXo0ZN5hPSg-eSEBULd-E
Thank you everyone for your advice.
#Post#: 105361--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Kingston] 13 parking bays but... no parking bays? [21 –
parked in suspended space]
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: January 11, 2026, 2:48 am
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Well Done :)
And Thank you for letting us know - so often OPs leave us in the
dark.
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