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Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: SouthLondoner123
Date: June 14, 2024, 1:36 am
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OP, I won a similar (but different) case here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-on-an-event-day-but-no-sign-it-was-an-event-day/
I won it because the Council website reported the wrong dates as
event days. The council replied that the dates on the website
were just an example and not to be relied on, but the
adjudicator disagreed and cancelled my PCN.
I also represented that the sign they had put up was outside
Earlsfield train station, where cars cannot park; it was a dozen
lines of text, it was impossible to read it without stopping,
and, if every driver did that, it would be total chaos. The
adjudicator remained completely silent on this point.
As of now, their website still has the same dates (Oct 2023).
You might try that defense (case reference 2240033072
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1606505,2992486,60,APPEAL&cs=3-BwrpHTBMXr3-4KGuHeNFK2uoRhj3W5chyVL07dMSVN5jHRb15KGP924ubbMcPTDJs3Nf7UdjEILtEhcK65Dkw<br
/>) but I suspect the council will say that, since the date on
their website is so many months in the past, then it is clear it
was just an example.
Their website says there should still be signs on G1
HTML https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/parking-zones/afc-wimbledon-stadium-event-day-restrictions/
If you can prove there weren't, I believe you should have a
stronger case.
FWIW I think it should be compulsory for councils to mention the
exact days on their website, and not just in some hard-to-read
signs far away from the actual parking locations. It would cost
them nothing. But then cash-strapped councils wouldn't catch
out as many motorists, would they?
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Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 3:35 am
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Wow thank you so much for this reply
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Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 14, 2024, 5:31 am
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Don't just rely on that case, the merits of which would be in
the minority among adjudicators IMO.
Look at the website; look at the G1 entry sign locations - at
least one is wrong, massively so; look at Moreton House; look at
the style of sign outside, it's NOT even the same format as per
the website(in fact it's two signs one of which has been
photographed facing the wrong way; get your own photos.
#Post#: 25978--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 6:51 am
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Please can you post a picture of the signs you are referring to
Thanks a lot
#Post#: 25998--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: June 14, 2024, 9:31 am
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GSV, May 2023; Moreton House (opp junction of Garratt Lane with
Wimbledon Road); CPZ sign immediately outside with 'event day'
board beneath facing towards traffic leaving G1.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QbQNCHbj4FstPRRC6?g_st=ic
The ad hoc sign on the post as you enter G1 is there, but the
glaring issues to me are:
The CPZ sign is not of the form given in the website or in the
council's evidence to the tribunal in the cited case (something
which the appellant in that case didn't spot!);
The lower sign is not firmly attached and can reverse as shown
in GSV.
And the so-called parking place is covered by a waiting
restriction for 'goods vehicles' of any weight for part of its
operational time which cannot be.
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Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 1:37 pm
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I took pictures on that day and there was no sign about the date
of the event at that junction you mentioned they used to ah e it
there in the
Past but they stopped putting it there
#Post#: 26081--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: SouthLondoner123
Date: June 14, 2024, 2:58 pm
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OP, it's not clear to me where exactly you parked. You posted an
apple maps link to a street (Garratt lane) which doesn't seem to
have any parking?
As a starting point:
understand where exactly you parked
check on the council website what area it corresponds to
check if there was a sign where the council said there should
have been
HTML https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/parking-zones/afc-wimbledon-stadium-event-day-restrictions/<br
/>
For example, the council website states that the signs for G1
are located at:
G1 St. Martin’s Way/Maskell Road
G1 Garratt Lane/Summerstown
G1 Wimbledon Road/Blackshaw Road
If there was no sign, you can challenge the PCN on that basis.
But you need proof. You can say that, according to the council
website, you were expecting a sign at location X, no such sign
was there, so the only logical conclusion was it was NOT an
event day.
Be sure to take a screenshot or a video of the council website
with some kind of timestamp, in case those esteemed gentlemen
change it later!
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Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 3:24 pm
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I was parked at G1 garratt lane/ summertown
There was no notice there and when I appealed my PCN they
replied to say the notice was at the beginning of E1
Let me find their reply
#Post#: 26085--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 3:30 pm
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HTML https://imgur.com/a/r4LnV5s
#Post#: 26087--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN from Wandswoth council on a football day
DIR By: Choice4
Date: June 14, 2024, 3:38 pm
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In the letter they said
“Whilst you have provided a photograph of a zone entry without
event information, this sign is within the event zone and
therefore doesn’t bear the even zone information on Garrat lane,
only E1 signage when entering the zone from the south has event
day restrictions “
Given the above I am satisfied that the PCN was correctly issued
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