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Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 5:46 am
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As title really, essentially I moved across to turn left, which
I thought was fine - but I guess not - I guess I should have
stayed in a straight line until the end of the white line and
turned left? Either way it would be nice if my thoughts are
correct, and if they are whether a 'honest mistake, won't happen
again' appeal might work? To be fair this is gutting, I got 2
ULEZ fines last year, bought a ULEZ car and now this! I wouldn't
mind, but I am always a courteous driver (well mostly), and I
never, ever drive in the bus lane (on purpose!).
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I guess I was supposed to drive like this;
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And not like this;
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Thanks in advance for any advice/help :)
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Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2024, 6:29 am
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We need to see the video, so download it from the Camden
internet site and post it here, or give us PCN Number and car
reg so we can go and look. It does seem a very trivial
intrusion, but councils just want your money so you'd have to
take them to London Tribunals. What your chance there would be,
we can only advise once we've seen the video.
#Post#: 22537--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 6:46 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> We need to see the video, so download it from the Camden
internet site and post it here, or give us PCN Number and car
reg so we can go and look. It does seem a very trivial
intrusion, but councils just want your money so you'd have to
take them to London Tribunals. What your chance there would be,
we can only advise once we've seen the video.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, I must be a bit slow - I didn't see the video...but now
I can't figure how to download it!?
And no, the 3 dots don't work I just get a playback speed and
picture in picture option...
Sorry
#Post#: 22538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 6:49 am
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--- Quote from: goonergaz link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=1901.msg22536#msg22536
date=1715772580]
> We need to see the video, so download it from the Camden
internet site and post it here, or give us PCN Number and car
reg so we can go and look. It does seem a very trivial
intrusion, but councils just want your money so you'd have to
take them to London Tribunals. What your chance there would be,
we can only advise once we've seen the video.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, I must be a bit slow - I didn't see the video...but now
I can't figure how to download it!?
And no, the 3 dots don't work I just get a playback speed and
picture in picture option...
edit;
Does this work?
HTML https://camden.tarantoportal.com/PCN/GetPartialVideo?v=E7F39CD414BC8BC133747668C7A490DAD9D59DB5F6C58AFBF18239FEDCB6C65D160E70F6AD1F11D767311F09E4054ACDB943B187EC859D1F176C4CB2A3FB82EE83D41383B37BE02F9EF983A4889C4C1A8F94F86C1F6ED50FD5DF83AB453149F3FB96FD764A1961458C9C33B787509A49EE3F508924EDDC4F46AE4918F1BE7ACC226CEC21090327F1D8FBAB1B2E1D0E09
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#Post#: 22539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:07 am
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HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/being-in-a-bus-lane-highgate-road-camden/msg10313/#msg10313
Do not pay this. I am happy to represent you as I did in this
case linked. They do not have a VCA certificate for the camera.
Dear Camden
Ref: PCN VRM
I challenge the PCN as follows:
1. There is no adequate signage in place or, indeed, shown in
the video.
2. There is no exact location stated on the PCN.
3. I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the
alleged contravention is approved by the VCA. Unless you can do
so, the evidence is inadmissible at the Tribunal according to
para. 7(2) of Schedule I of the London Local Authorities act
1996 (as amended)
In light of the above, the PCN must be cancelled.
Yours
Registered keeper
Address
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Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:09 am
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> Does this work?
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No (link has timed out), you need to download it to your
computer, upload it to an external hosting site and post a link
here.
Also please repost all sides of the PCN with only name and
address redacted.
See
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:32 am
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PCN and video (finally) attached! What a faff that was! lol
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Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:53 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote]Does this work?
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No (link has timed out), you need to download it to your
computer, upload it to an external hosting site and post a link
here.
Also please repost all sides of the PCN with only name and
address redacted.
See
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Ok, I can't figure out how to download so I have filmed it on my
phone and uploaded - all in the previous post ta
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Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/being-in-a-bus-lane-highgate-road-camden/msg10313/#msg10313
>
> Do not pay this. I am happy to represent you as I did in this
case linked. They do not have a VCA certificate for the camera.
>
> Dear Camden
>
> Ref: PCN VRM
>
> I challenge the PCN as follows:
>
> 1. There is no adequate signage in place or, indeed, shown in
the video.
> 2. There is no exact location stated on the PCN.
> 3. I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture
the alleged contravention is approved by the VCA. Unless you can
do so, the evidence is inadmissible at the Tribunal according to
para. 7(2) of Schedule I of the London Local Authorities act
1996 (as amended)
>
> In light of the above, the PCN must be cancelled.
>
> Yours
>
> Registered keeper
>
> Address
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, my case is later though, they could have put up signage
since. Also have they potentially had the camera approved since
then?
Also, not sure I want to go to tribunal (again - 3 times for the
failed ULEZ tickets)
#Post#: 22562--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden PCN for using bus lane - can I appeal?
DIR By: goonergaz
Date: May 15, 2024, 8:22 am
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I should add that I'm not the named driver - it's the wifes car
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