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#Post#: 22526--------------------------------------------------
PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: estevenin
Date: May 15, 2024, 5:32 am
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Hi all,
After a long night working, I started falling asleep whilst
driving, so I stopped as soon as I could to take a nap.
I was parked in a resident permit street, without permit, so the
ticket is issued correctly no doubt about that.
Nevertheless, I fell asleep and after a 20mn nap I wake up to a
PCN in my windscreen. I know I wasn't parked where I should, but
I was hoping that if this would happen, they would show some
understanding and ask me to move. Needless to say that I feel
really upset.
Is it legal to give someone a PCN when the person is in the car
? Can't post the evidence now just woke up to it.
In most pictures the reflect prevents seeing anything inside
however in one picture we can see my legs resting.
Thanks for the advice.
#Post#: 22534--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2024, 6:22 am
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It doesn't matter whether you are in the car or not.
--- Quote ---
> I know I wasn't parked where I should, but I was hoping that
if this would happen, they would show some understanding and ask
me to move.
--- End Quote ---
Understanding went out with traffic wardens who would probably
have asked you to move on. They came under the police, so there
was no money influence, unlike with councils who make shedloads
of money out of PCN penalties.
#Post#: 22543--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: May 15, 2024, 7:14 am
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Incandescent has answered your direct question, however, please
have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link to
loacation and we can see if there is any error in the 'small
print'.
#Post#: 23121--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 19, 2024, 6:08 pm
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[member=1682]estevenin[/member] as always please post up the
paperwork and we'll see if we can sort something out.
#Post#: 24342--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: estevenin
Date: May 29, 2024, 5:29 am
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Hi all,
Thank you for the feedback.
Sorry for not responding earlier, just got back to my laptop,
I'm between moves and it's a bit of a chaos.
Seems to be the last day today for the reduced amount, I will
appeal tonight probably asking for discretion (likely to fail
but will at least make them work), couldn't find anything to say
myself but here goes the PCN and evidence anyway (In the 4th
pictures we see my legs, in some others, a bit of my hands) :
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ZV4Hg0Y/pcn.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/ZV4Hg0Y
HTML https://i.ibb.co/6sMygzW/pcn-back.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/6sMygzW
HTML https://i.ibb.co/mvNFQPp/Get-Image-1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/mvNFQPp
HTML https://i.ibb.co/KjmRQ20/Get-Image-2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/KjmRQ20
HTML https://i.ibb.co/kqSjHgQ/Get-Image-3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/kqSjHgQ
HTML https://i.ibb.co/yQs6TCz/Get-Image-4.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/yQs6TCz
HTML https://i.ibb.co/v3NyCwS/Get-Image-5.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/v3NyCwS
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ZMFbR3H/Get-Image-6.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/ZMFbR3H
HTML https://i.ibb.co/x5sSXfX/Get-Image-7.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/x5sSXfX
HTML https://i.ibb.co/GtLHwc5/Get-Image-8.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/GtLHwc5
HTML https://i.ibb.co/XZBynvV/Get-Image-9.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/XZBynvV
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Brhdqw7/Get-Image-10.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/Brhdqw7
HTML https://i.ibb.co/xfJY6Y5/Get-Image-11.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/xfJY6Y5
HTML https://i.ibb.co/PYS9xJC/GetImage.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/PYS9xJC
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> It doesn't matter whether you are in the car or not.
>
> [quote]I know I wasn't parked where I should, but I was hoping
that if this would happen, they would show some understanding
and ask me to move.
--- End Quote ---
Understanding went out with traffic wardens who would probably
have asked you to move on. They came under the police, so there
was no money influence, unlike with councils who make shedloads
of money out of PCN penalties.
[/quote]
Have we lost our humanity here ? For all he knows, I could have
fainted, or worst, I could be dead in the car. Imagine the
cynism of the situation, where I am dead in the car, and the
enforcement officer writing a PCN whilst rotting inside. The
first thing I would do is knock on the window, if no answer I
might call an ambulance or at the very least open the door to
check that the person is alive in there.
Would that PCN be passed on to my heirs, or would it be
cancelled since written after the death of the keeper ? Haven't
seen that one on the list of grounds of appeal...
What we do for £35.
#Post#: 24345--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 29, 2024, 5:59 am
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Even if you lose the case, you can still complain to the council
about the CEO.
#Post#: 24437--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 30, 2024, 2:44 am
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Which of the CEO's photos best shows you asleep in the car and
where were you?
#Post#: 24440--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 30, 2024, 3:47 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Which of the CEO's photos best shows you asleep in the car and
where were you?
>
--- End Quote ---
Image 6
HTML https://ibb.co/yQs6TCz
you can clearly see a person in jeans
lying back in the drivers seat.
#Post#: 24451--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 30, 2024, 6:05 am
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I have e mailed estevenin (whose sartorial attire was not the
same on the day of his mega case v Ealing in October 2022 ;D )
and have offered to do a draft on two technical issues re the
PCN and discretion.
#Post#: 24473--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN, asleep in the car
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 30, 2024, 9:32 am
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As I understand it, the OP has submitted reps.
OP, if so pl post a copy here. And who is the registered keeper
- to whom the next notice would be sent if the PCN is neither
cancelled nor the penalty paid?
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