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Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 14, 2024, 8:12 am
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Hi,
Thank you in advance for any help. I just received a NTO but
when I logged in there is a photo of my car without any PCN on
the car. I never received one otherwise I would have definitely
appealed or paid straight away.
Can I just appeal on this basis or do I need to get more
technical?
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 14, 2024, 8:24 am
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The NTO please and all the council's photos.
Some adjudicators accept that proof of service is not
established when there are photos, none of which show the PCN
having been served.
But on the other hand, the driver might have driven away before
a PCN could be served, but we'll find out when we see the NTO
i.e. if it's a 'drive-away' PCN it'll say so.
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 14, 2024, 8:40 am
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Please find attached NTO
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 14, 2024, 8:53 am
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[quote author=H C Andersen link=topic=1888.msg22410#msg22410
date=1715693073]
The NTO please and all the council's photos.
BTW, the photo I put up was the only one on there
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 14, 2024, 11:56 am
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Is anyone able to help please?
#Post#: 22446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 14, 2024, 12:20 pm
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Thanks.
A routine NTO.
So, we need to look at substantive issues as regards the
contravention and procedural matters e.g. was a PCN served? A
single photo without the PCN or traffic sign seems a tad odd.
So, from your first post I take it that you were you the driver
and that the car was parked without payment of the parking
charge (because you said you would have paid had you found a
PCN).
So, pl set out the circumstances and give us a link to the
actual location so that we can see the relevant sign.
You have until 11 June to make formal reps, so no rush.
#Post#: 22447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 14, 2024, 12:35 pm
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There is only one photo and I just realised my wife had the car
that day and actually paid
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 14, 2024, 5:31 pm
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OP, we do need to know exactly where the car was parked on High
Road, Woodford Green, so please post-up a GSV view telling us
exactly where.
You have shown a record of payment being made and the
end-of-session time is well after the PCN time stated on the
NtO. The location on the PbP app is the same as on the NtO. So
where is the problem ? Well, is the reg number for the vehicle
correctly entered. (a 'O' letter, instead of a 0 zero for
instance).
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: Nick325i
Date: May 15, 2024, 2:49 am
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It was parked here. I have checked everything. Number plate was
correct, time was correct. There doesnt seem to be an issue.
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Re: Notice to owner but no PCN on widscreen
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 15, 2024, 3:41 am
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--- Quote from: Nick325i link ---
>
> It was parked here. I have checked everything. Number plate
was correct, time was correct. There doesnt seem to be an issue.
--- End Quote ---
Indeed there doesn't, so you now need to submit reps on the
basis that payment was made to park from <time> to <time>, and
include a copy of the PbP app receipt for payment. Post up their
response when you get it. CEOs do make mistakes even though the
council will never admit it !
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