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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: roadster01
Date: July 25, 2024, 6:00 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] I've noticed that my deadline is
actually Friday 2 August 2024.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 26, 2024, 3:20 pm
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Here's the best I can come up with in the circumstances:
[indent]
Dear London Borough of Haringey,
On the day in question I was visiting my parents and I was well
aware of the requirement to display a valid visitor's permit
between the hours of 10 and noon.
I realized at around 9-9:15 that I needed to scratch out a
permit and go outside to display it in the car. This was around
Breakfast time for my two children. My wife was still upstairs
so I had them both to feed, I put the one year old in the
highchair and gave her Weetabix. The 2 year old was seemingly
occupied with his cereal so I thought I'd grab a moment to
scratch out the permit. I gave my phone a cursory glance to
check the date while keeping an eye out to prevent a Weetabix
tornado. I saw it was the 1st and proceeded to scratch it out.
Calm moments don't last too long and soon noticed the 2 year old
run out of his seat, I carried on scratching slightly distracted
and must've scratched April by rote. It all went downhill from
there... I heard a muffled thud from the dining room and my
oldest bursting into loud wails. I grabbed the permit and ran.
By the time I had the situ under control I really needed to run
to the car. however I came back to the kitchen and discovered
that the 1 year old had happily used my absence to practise her
make-up artistry - with Weetabix! I must admit by that point I
was a bit flustered and yelled to my wife to come down while I
ran out to the car. I finished scratching it out and made a dash
for it. When came back I had the honors of weeding the Weetabix
out of said youngest's hair, and I didn't give another moment's
thought to the permit. It wasn't until around 11:45 when my
mother mentioned some event that was due to take place on 9th
May and she said "next week" that it hit me. I zipped out to the
car but it was too late and a penalty charge notice had been
issued.
I would point out that 1st April was not a Wednesday, while 1st
May was a Wednesday. The last 1st April that fell on a Wednesday
was in 2020 and the next 1st April falling on a Wednesday is in
2026, but as the permit requires the year to be scratched out
there is no possibility of this permit having been used in 2020
or being re-used in 2026, this does not render the permit
compliant but is clear evidence for the fact that there was no
attempt to deliberately abuse the parking facilities nor has
there been any attempt to re-use a permit.
In light of these mitigating circumstances I would invite you to
consider not pursuing enforcement on this occasion, and you will
no doubt be aware that the fact that a contravention occurred is
not, in and of itself, a reason to refuse to exercise your
discretion as requested.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Send the representation online and keep a screenshot of the
confirmation page.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: roadster01
Date: July 27, 2024, 6:00 pm
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@cp8759 No I did not, I already received the PCN and wasn't
going to use another one for 15 mins. You can include the proof
of the fact that the 1st of April wasn't a Wednesday. Also I'm
not sure what can be done about the lack of VRM.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: roadster01
Date: July 28, 2024, 6:23 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 29, 2024, 4:12 am
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OP, can we go back to the permits pl.
Your account and the vouchers are at odds on the face of it. The
permits are very badly worded IMO. If you took their
instructions literally then drivers are hostage to events
outside their control.
Why?
Because the permits state:
Visitors Hourly Parking Permit
Scratch out time of arrival.
So, how might a driver apply this when parked in a part-time
bay?
Display the permit when parking but don't mark this time, mark
when the restriction comes into force?
Don't display the permit until the last minute and scratch out
the time when the permit is displayed?
Is there anything on the back which helps a driver interpret the
otherwise clear but very difficult to comply with instruction on
the front?
If not then the circumstances at 10am would have been beyond
your control.
If not, could this be fed into your reps?
We haven't seen your initial reps so don't know what you've
already said.
At least you could bat away any argument that you should have
chosen a quieter time to fill out the permit i.e. children eat
when they will; had to wait until nearly 10 so that you wouldn't
be displaying a permit which indicated your arrival X hours into
the future; perfect, or imperfect, storm of events.
And acknowledge making a complete hash, in fact the only thing
you got right was the time..and even this wasn't when you
arrived/displayed the permit!
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 29, 2024, 3:00 pm
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[member=414]roadster01[/member] I've finished off the draft in
post 31 above.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: roadster01
Date: September 15, 2024, 2:32 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] I finally received my reply. Rejected.
Any use taking this further? Or should I just pay?
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nQQXn-FU89_Te5eJEXq1Uf24zzHW9rAD?usp=drive_link
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 15, 2024, 3:47 pm
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[member=414]roadster01[/member] well as they've not reoffered
the discount you might as well appeal, as you have nothing to
lose: appealing is free and if the appeal is unsuccessful you
still only have to pay £80, so the worst case scenario is that
you're no worse off than you are right now.
I'll drop you a line in case you'd like to be represented.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 10, 2024, 6:47 pm
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Outcome
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/10_7owiFtt9bfVmkbcjsUMh2f5d43SBQs/view.
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Re: Haringey Code 19- Fairview road - Expired Permit
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 11, 2024, 12:59 am
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Good to see the Practice Direction of former Chief Adjudicator,
Martin Wood, being followed. One other, Mr Lane, has now sadly
retired. :'(
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