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#Post#: 27610--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: i12b3
Date: June 26, 2024, 3:06 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
As you requested I gathered everything I could and sent it all
to you via pm with a google drive link , while examining things
closely I think I unearthed a deliberate attempt at deception on
brent parking , please see summary in pm and accompanying docs
in google drive with meaningful names , do let me know if you
have any further questions
Many thanks in advance for your help
Kind Regards
#Post#: 27810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: i12b3
Date: June 28, 2024, 3:11 am
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
Just checking if you got the Pm and was able to access the
google drive link?
#Post#: 27992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 30, 2024, 8:47 am
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[member=1725]i12b3[/member] I've knocked up a draft which I will
share via google drive, but for everyone's benefit here is the
text:
[indent]Dear London Borough of Brent,
I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged
contravention did not occur.
I have been parking in Brent in front of my residence for the
last 15 years and have had the on road parking permit, I refer
you to the attached PDF file named 1 – permit renewals.pdf.
In December 2023 my vehicle with a valid residence parking
permit was stolen, I refer you to the emails from the
Metropolitan Police at pages 3 to 7 of the attached file named
“2 - supporting documents.pdf”
I acquired a new vehicle which I attempted to register my new
car on your parking system. The process was not straightforward
at all and the issues faced by residence is well documented all
over social media and local community posts, I refer you to the
social media posts at pages 23 to 25 of the supporting documents
file.
On 29 January 2024 I wrote to Ringo/ Brent parking seeking help
and confirmation weather I have done a correct change of vehicle
clearly stating in the email what I wanted to do, this email is
on page 1 of the supporting documents file.
On 30 January 2024 Brent Parking replied with a stock reply
which led me to believe that I have applied the changes
correctly. Crucially, I contend that I was entitled to rely on
this reply.
Brent proceeded to issue me penalty charges on a number of
consecutive days, in their rejection letters you have again sent
a stock reply that I was notified that the change of vehicle
will expire after 28 days. While that is true, when I applied to
change the vehicle the process to remove an old vehicle and add
a new one to get rid of this 28 day expiry was not clear on the
site and I was only able to do complete the process after I
called Brent council. I work in IT and even I have struggled to
find the right information / steps to carry out this process
online.
My reason for emailing you on 29 January was to get my new
vehicle added and not revert back to a vehicle I no longer have,
I contend you have a duty of care to provide the right
information when an enquiry is made and on this occasion you
failed to do so and are attempting to extract a monetary penalty
that is a direct consequence of your own failings.
In addition to the residence permit I also have a valid
residence visitor parking permit and a blue badge for my
disabled son (see pages 8 to 10 of the supporting documents),
had I known that the change of vehicle was not permanent I could
have displayed either of these to avoid being in contravention.
The only reason I did not display either of those was that I
understood from the email of 30 January 2024 that I had
successfully completed the change of vehicle and no further
action was required.
Three penalty charges were issued in total as a result of the
misinformation given to me by Brent council.
The first PCN was issued on 1st March, I drove the vehicle on
that day and made representations, upon refusal I paid the
penalty of £65 for 1st March. I did not move the vehicle between
4th and 5th March and called up Brent on the 5th March to sort
the matter out by phone when I noticed the 2 more PCNs on my car
window.
On the day of the issue of the penalty charges in issue now I
still had a valid permit but Brent council, unbeknown to me,
reverted that permit back to my old vehicle which I no longer
had.
In the particular and unusual circumstances of this case, I
contend that the permit was assigned to the wrong vehicle due to
failings on the part of Brent council, rather than anything I
did or failed to do.
It follows that the alleged contravention did not occur and the
PCN must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Assuming they reject, you'll need to give a much more detailed
account of:
1) What steps you took to carry out the temporary change of
permit
2) What steps you took to permanently change the permit once you
called the council for help.
For now make representations online and upload the three
documents I've shared with you, in the text box for the
representation just write this:
[indent]
See the attached document named "3 - Representation.pdf"
[/indent]
Keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
#Post#: 28189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: i12b3
Date: July 1, 2024, 11:23 am
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Thank you very much [member=1]cp8759[/member] for the draft
I have submitted it today, separately for both PCNs , let's see
what they do now , I will update here once I receive more news.
Best Regards
#Post#: 33609--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: i12b3
Date: August 17, 2024, 5:18 am
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I received the notice of rejection for both PCNs , again no
consideration to what was said in the appeal that their email
misguided me and their site had no clear instructions on how to
change this after making a change of the system from Brent to
Ringo just a and a bog standard reply to both , see letters
below , is it worth pursing this in tribunal? If I lose in
Tribunal will I have to pay 130 each rather than 65?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/vpl52NP
HTML https://imgur.com/a/kD5wCR1
Regards
i12b3
#Post#: 33617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 17, 2024, 6:43 am
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After 28 days passed they issued me £65 fines for three
consecutive days. On the third day only I noticed only the
tickets on the screens
OP, let's get back to this please.
1. How many PCNs were on the windscreen on day 3?
2. Did the car move between the time of the first contravention
and the time of the third?
The above will deal with the issue of 'continuous contravention'
which is a possible defence against PCNs 2 and 3.
Can we have a simple timeline pl.
1. Permit change made on *** and came into effect on ***;
2. Permit change expired on(reverted to original VRM) ****;
3. Date of first PCN ***?
Was vehicle parked within the zone during the time gap between 2
and 3?
#Post#: 33622--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 17, 2024, 6:56 am
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Another two questions:
Was a paid permit in play when the PCNs were issued?
Are there different permit prices according to the car model?
In any case this is vindictive targeting of a longstanding
resident and if it were me I'd also make a complaint through
other channels.
#Post#: 33633--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 17, 2024, 8:02 am
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The full PCN penalty is always in play at adjudications.
#Post#: 33950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 20, 2024, 2:25 pm
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My recommendation would be to carry on as fault for this
situation lies with the council, not you.
#Post#: 34565--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brent Council Parking Charge 3 consecutive days due to
change of vehicle New RinGo site mess
DIR By: Korting
Date: August 25, 2024, 6:14 pm
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Can you tell me where in Brent this is? I also live in Brent.
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