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#Post#: 22065--------------------------------------------------
Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 10, 2024, 8:01 am
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I needed to pick up my disabled mum from Ferndale Rd. I didn't
have her disabled badge with me.
Spotting someone preparing to leave, I waited in my car with the
engine on in front of him, albeit on double red lines.
Two traffic wardens approached, and in an attempt to
communicate with the driver behind, I very slowly reversed my
car to indicate my intent to take the soon-to-be-vacated space.
However, the officers stood in front of my car, facing a camera
/ phone towards me. (even though the car was moving- very very
slow).
Feeling pressured and with limited options, I made the decision
to drive off. ( I circled the block and returned, than the
parking space became available)
The entire duration of my story couldn't have been more than
two minutes.
Upon receiving the ticket, I noticed that the photo evidence
purported to be taken from a "London road network camera," which
was not the case. Instead, the image was captured using the
officer's own device.
Does anyone have advise if and how to appeal?
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Location:
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All documents etc:
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#Post#: 22483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 14, 2024, 6:02 pm
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Any advise?
#Post#: 22491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 14, 2024, 6:27 pm
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So I presume you drove slowly along Ferndale Road towards the
main road looking for a parking space, and saw a car preparing
to leave. You therefore stopped in front, and waited for the car
to leave the bay, then you backed-in.
For this kind of thing it's imperative we see the TfL video of
the alleged contravention. You can obtain this by contacting TfL
and requesting it. TfL,being in the Dark Ages, send these out as
DVDs and also place the PCN on hold for two weeks. Within this
time it is expected that the DVD will have been produced and
arrived at your address. So request the video, and post it up
here when you get it. Do be aware that the "On Hold"
automatically ceases after a fortnight, so if the DVD is not
received after about 10-11 days contact TfL again to find out
when it was sent, and to request a new On Hold period.
#Post#: 22495--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 14, 2024, 7:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So I presume you drove slowly along Ferndale Road towards the
main road looking for a parking space, and saw a car preparing
to leave. You therefore stopped in front, and waited for the car
to leave the bay, then you backed-in.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Correct! ( I backed-in when i saw the officers coming - before
the the driver left the bay.
about the video, there is no CCTV in the area, and I don't
believe that the officer did it,(I just drove away when he face
his camera towards me) but I'll try to call them in the morning.
Thanks
#Post#: 22504--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 15, 2024, 2:54 am
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You were stopped on a red route.
You drove off when officers started to record your car.
You did not engage with the officers at any stage.
There is no evidence that you did park in the parking place.
GSV suggests that your car couldn't have been aligned straight
with the parking place because the kerb narrows.
The 'P' area is not restricted to BB holders.
The host of parking places in Ferndale is restricted only until
noon, 3 minutes after the contravention.
Assisted boarding is permitted at these and on single and double
yellow lines in any event.
Set against this your defence is that you were stopped only
momentarily while attempting to perform a manoeuvre to reverse
into a space which at the time of the contravention did not
actually exist but you say you believed would become free
imminently.
IMO, you'll have an uphill struggle with TfL, but you'll give
yourself the best chance by re-ordering your account.
There's also a range of technical matters to be looked at
separate from the actual events.
#Post#: 22569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 15, 2024, 9:02 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So I presume you drove slowly along Ferndale Road towards the
main road looking for a parking space, and saw a car preparing
to leave. You therefore stopped in front, and waited for the car
to leave the bay, then you backed-in.
>
> For this kind of thing it's imperative we see the TfL video of
the alleged contravention. You can obtain this by contacting TfL
and requesting it. TfL,being in the Dark Ages, send these out as
DVDs and also place the PCN on hold for two weeks. Within this
time it is expected that the DVD will have been produced and
arrived at your address. So request the video, and post it up
here when you get it. Do be aware that the "On Hold"
automatically ceases after a fortnight, so if the DVD is not
received after about 10-11 days contact TfL again to find out
when it was sent, and to request a new On Hold period.
>
--- End Quote ---
I just called now, and they don't have any video or other
picture from the event
#Post#: 22880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 17, 2024, 12:53 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
>
> Set against this your defence is that you were stopped only
momentarily while attempting to perform a manoeuvre to reverse
into a space which at the time of the contravention did not
actually exist but you say you believed would become free
imminently.
>
> IMO, you'll have an uphill struggle with TfL, but you'll give
yourself the best chance by re-ordering your account.
>
> There's also a range of technical matters to be looked at
separate from the actual events.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
I prepare a draft to send, do you have anything to add?
I have received your letter regarding PCN No: GF... for stopping
on a red route on 07/05/2024 from 11:57 to 11:57.
At this time, I was driving very slowly in reverse into a space
which I believed would become free imminently. Even if I did
stop, it was only momentarily while attempting to perform the
manoeuvre to reverse as mentioned.
I would appreciate it if you could provide me with video footage
from any CCTV in the area to support my claim.
I kindly request that you review this situation and consider
cancelling the PCN.
#Post#: 23925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 26, 2024, 12:52 pm
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[member=806]zwi[/member] at present all postal PCNs from TFL are
vulnerable to challenge. Furthermore for a drive-away PCN like
this there is no power to serve a postal PCN in any event, as
the power to serve a postal PCN only arises if the officer had
started to prepare the PCN, which seems unlikely in the extreme
from what you say, case in point Jack Sterling v London Borough
of Haringey (2230251780, 3 July 2023)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SUGnhEtpsTmeq72gWAtvNQM3tgGbUOAI/view
However to allow us to carry out some basic checks please post
the PCN without redacting the number plate or PCN number, as per
the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
Also please note representations should be made online and you
must keep a screenshot of the confirmation page, do not risk
sending anything by post.
#Post#: 23950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: zwi
Date: May 26, 2024, 6:24 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> However to allow us to carry out some basic checks please post
the PCN without redacting the number plate or PCN number, as per
the guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for your advice (again... :) ), I sent already my
representation on 21/05/24 and waiting for reply.
enclosed is the PCN with the number plate:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/bYrNEVyCQ12SpiMg9
#Post#: 24153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Contravention: 46 Stopped where prohibited on a red route
Ferndale Road London N15
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 4:32 pm
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Well there's only one photo on TFL's website with the driver at
the wheel, so I think they might struggle to show that the
officer had started to prepare the PCN.
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