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LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn), Reede
Road
DIR By: george74
Date: July 12, 2023, 12:47 pm
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VRN: EN72WYS
PCN: BZ99384714
I've received a PCN for making a prohibited right turn in
Dagenham Heathway - a mistake some others on this forums have
also made.
It looks like the restriction is relatively new althought not
too new as a previous user posted back in Nov 2022.
I make this turn quite frequently and have never seen the
signage (not blaming anyone) - I guess for the first time I made
it during the restricted hours. There is only the one sign to
indicate no right turn.
Not sure I have any challenge here but any help is appreciate.
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#Post#: 1191--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 12, 2023, 4:14 pm
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Please add all other pages of the PCN
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Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 12, 2023, 6:13 pm
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> Please add all other pages of the PCN
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+1, also here's the video:
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The traffic order is The London Borough of Barking and Dagenham
(Banned Turn) (Reede Road) Experimental Order 2022
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Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: george74
Date: July 12, 2023, 8:02 pm
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I've added the remaining pages.
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Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 13, 2023, 3:26 am
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The statutory no right turn sign is not optimally placed, I
would argue it is inadequate. It should be placed at the biting
point of the restriction so a bit further forward and really it
needs to be on the right hand edge of the pavement as you look
so it is more readily in a driver's eyeline.
The grounds of representation that are offered do not include
that 'You were never the owner' nor that it is the liability for
a PCN which must be mentioned not a general liability which
could be for damage to the vehicle.
I doubt the council will cancel so there will be 100% of the PCN
value at risk at the tribunal if nothing is ultimately to be
paid.
#Post#: 1222--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: george74
Date: July 13, 2023, 7:32 am
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> Member
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> Group: Members
> Posts: 854
> Joined: 25 May 2022
> Member No.: 116,704
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> That Order states:-
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> 7. Nothing in this Order shall apply:-
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> a. To a vehicle being used for Fire brigade, Police or
Ambulance purposes;
> b. To anything done with the permission or at the direction of
a police constable in
> uniform; or
> c. To any person who causes any vehicle to proceed in
accordance with any
> restriction or requirement indicated by traffic signs places
pursuant to Sections 66
> or 67 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act, 1984.
>
> My comments in other threads on this location indicate that
the yellow box cannot be controlled by an upright sign. Indeed,
a motorist seeing a yellow box may legitimately believe that it
is placed in order to facilitate a R/H turn. Ergo 7( c ) above
may be a get out.
>
> Under LATOR 1996 the Council must not place Traffic Signs
which either confuse or mislead. Have they done so here?
>
> Mick
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The above is a comment from MMV Redux from the other forum.
I'm willing to go to tribunal if I have a good chance of
winning.
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Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 13, 2023, 7:38 am
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You have a better than evens chance. I can represent you.
#Post#: 1233--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: george74
Date: July 13, 2023, 10:53 am
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Thank you MrMustard! I appreciate it. I'm happy to keep
challenging all the way to tribunal then.
#Post#: 1583--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: george74
Date: July 19, 2023, 5:40 pm
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How should I proceed?
#Post#: 1593--------------------------------------------------
Re: LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn),
Reede Road
DIR By: mrmustard
Date: July 20, 2023, 1:13 am
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Please email me ddishman@creditlimits.co.uk and I will send you
an authority letter to sign and then make the representations
for you. It will be Sunday before I have time.
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