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#Post#: 21856--------------------------------------------------
CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by your
authority - yes or no?
DIR By: chueewowee
Date: May 8, 2024, 1:36 pm
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Hello ftla correspondents,
PLease let me know if you, living in (or near possibly) a CAZ,
LEZ, ULEZ area were sent a letter to your home giving
notification OF;
- a preview of the signage and their meaning ,
- which vehicles would be charged
- how charges are demanded
- how to pay
- time limits
- start dates
My reason for asking is that I have a case about to reach
court, against one CAZ authority, questioning the lawfulness of
a CAZ pcn concerning signs and pre-evident (i.e.
published/notified) meaning.
I need to know if CAZ local authrities routinely, or only
sometimes, sent letter sent local residents.
In your reply let me know what CAZ scheme area you are/were in.
Further, if you still have a copy, by all means send it to me;
I'd be delighted. :)
E.G. I do know that the ULEZ extension was notified in great
detail to residents within the area of greater London extending
up to and including Ruislip.
John
- attchments can be added to a reply, by clicking the
'Attach-choose file' button, found below the reply text editing
box.
#Post#: 21892--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 8, 2024, 7:55 pm
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I received a "letter" for BATH caz at my property just outside
the zone.
It was, in fact, a pamphlet and comprehensive. I imagine an FOI
request might yield a copy and details of where it was
delivered.
There were also communications prior relating to the
consultation.
I teceived nothing about the BRISTOL caz at either my Bath
property or another property I use 15 miles south of Bristol.
#Post#: 21894--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: chueewowee
Date: May 8, 2024, 8:52 pm
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Thanks slapdash. And, interesting because its Broistol that we
are ocncernd with specifically; no tbecause they failed to send
letters to locals, like you received from Bath, but because they
did send them locally, but not to The far corne of North Wales,
from where we vistited!
The Question being: Why give details if the signs are so clear,
self-evident meaningful, not to be missed by the outsider, who
learns by receiving a pcn, w/o charge.
#Post#: 21895--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 8, 2024, 10:05 pm
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect every authority
implementing one to notify every vehicle keeper.
If you have a Bristol CAZ PCN I suggest a search. There is an
argument that the PCNs are all invalid by adding the £9 toll to
the penalty.
#Post#: 21903--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 9, 2024, 3:43 am
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--- Quote from: slapdash link ---
>
> I don't think it's reasonable to expect every authority
implementing one to notify every vehicle keeper.
>
> If you have a Bristol CAZ PCN I suggest a search. There is an
argument that the PCNs are all invalid by adding the £9 toll to
the penalty.
>
--- End Quote ---
And not just an argument. This unlawfulness was stated in 2018
by the Chief Adjudicator of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, no
less. I've got the file but I'm on the wrong PC at the moment so
will post later.
#Post#: 21919--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 9, 2024, 5:59 am
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I've now attached the relevant TPT case
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 21986--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: chueewowee
Date: May 9, 2024, 1:30 pm
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--- Quote from: slapdash link ---
>
> I don't think it's reasonable to expect every authority
implementing one to notify every vehicle keeper.
>
> If you have a Bristol CAZ PCN I suggest a search. There is an
argument that the PCNs are all invalid by adding the £9 toll to
the penalty.
>
--- End Quote ---
You're correct. Just the locals will do, because it s not going
to be in the highway code.
The rest can pay a pcn. That may be unfair, but its to omuch
toruble to send them a crge when we can just as easily senfd
them a pcn? Is that the way to go?
Thanks for suggestion. That argument is interesting, but I think
the situation has changed wrt to the £9.00 added to the charge;
it was amatterof wording at an earlier stage (2018), if i
rmeember correctly; they dont ask for the chare to be paid now,
merley raised the penalty amount, or someting similar.
#Post#: 21987--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: chueewowee
Date: May 9, 2024, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I've now attached the relevant TPT case
>
--- End Quote ---
Grateful.
#Post#: 22010--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 9, 2024, 10:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
> And not just an argument. This unlawfulness was stated in 2018
by the Chief Adjudicator of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, no
less.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quite, but as yet untested within the context of a CAZ charge as
far as I am aware. Hopefully a different adjudicator wouldn't go
against it.
#Post#: 22011--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAZ/ULEZ areas : Were letters sent to local residents by
your authority - yes or no?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 9, 2024, 10:49 pm
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--- Quote from: chueewowee link ---
>
> You're correct. Just the locals will do, because it s not
going to be in the highway code.
>
> ........
>
> Thanks for suggestion. That argument is interesting, but I
think the situation has changed wrt to the £9.00 added to the
charge
--- End Quote ---
You could perhaps check your route on google maps to try and
verify what signage was in place.
We haven't seen your PCN. But up until recently they were
demanding 129 / 69 and used wording related to the outstanding
toll.
They can't just decide to change the amount of the penalty. The
regulations do not allow that.
The issues you face are:-
- Are you still in time to challenge. If not it's game over
anyway.
- The authority will almost certainly reject your formal
challenge. You must then appeal to tribunal. At this point the
full penalty is in play.
Bristol have shown a reluctance though to go to tribunal, so
maybe they will cancel.
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