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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 18, 2024, 1:37 pm
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I'm afraid the video does seem to show a contravention. They are
now using two cameras, one a detail view of numberplats and an
overview camera showing the vehicles entering the yellow box.
You have to go to 1m 22 secs into the video to see your car
enter the box then stop for rather too long to be de minimis
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 20, 2024, 10:03 am
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What about the over stretched junction box on that side compared
to the opposite side which serves no purpose as it does not
restrict traffic flow..
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 20, 2024, 10:54 am
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I'm viewing this on my phone so only a small screen but for me
the end where your wife stopped is so far in the distance, and
the view blocked by a tall lamppost, it's unclear for what
reason she had to stop. TFL are required to prove (on balance
of probabilities) that she had to stop due to stationary
vehicles - so does the video adequately demonstrate that the
vehicle in front is completely stationary, and that there wasn't
enough space in front of her for your wife to move forward and
clear the box?
Perhaps it does on a bigger screen...
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 20, 2024, 1:11 pm
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Video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-6ZH_d7apo
[member=354]Hashim[/member] this might be one for the strategy
of last resort
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/city-of-edinburgh-02-parked-in-a-restricted-street-lochrin-buildings-gilmour-pla/msg7413/#msg7413,<br
/>is there any mitigation that can be advanced?
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 20, 2024, 1:58 pm
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What about the length of the junction box going beyond the
junction of 2 roads. I found this:
This box extends beyond the junction and the extended area
serves no purpose. Schedule 7, Part 9, 11 (6) of the TSRGD 2016
sets out the permitted locations for yellow boxes and this
states it must be "(a) at a junction between two or more roads"
The attached image shows that this box extends beyond the
junction and is thus not "at" a junction. Please see case
references 2170285940 as an example of a previous case won on
this point in which the adjudicator stated: "A “box junction”
means an area of the carriageway where the marking has been
placed and which is at a junction between two or more roads.
Markings which extends beyond the junction of two or more roads
do not therefore mark out a box junction covered by the
prohibition. I am in no way suggesting that the Authority has to
be inch perfect but, in my view, extending the box junction by a
car length or more beyond the actual junction is neither
compliant nor substantially compliant with requirements.”
Together with the fact that the camera does not show whether
there is any obstruction in traffic beyond what can be seen.
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 20, 2024, 3:31 pm
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The position of the box junction is arguable, but it is a tough
one to win, as where is is placed is at the junction between the
two merging roads travelling in the direction your car was
going. Where the junction starts and ends is a little
subjective and I think an adjudicator is unlikely to say where
it is placed in this case it not at a junction of two roads -
see what others think.
Thanks to cp8759 for putting the video on Youtube, I've now had
a chance to view it on my laptop screen. By my reckoning, the
first time your car and the car in front are both stopped
simultaneously is at 1min43 into the video and you both remain
in the same position until it ceases. See pic below for
respective car positions at this point.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ycl0YJn.png
From the camera position and distance it's very difficult to be
sure how much space is between your car and the car in front.
You look to have about half a car length in the box junction.
Could an adjudicator be sure there wasn't sufficient room in
front to move into?
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 21, 2024, 5:31 am
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Can you help me formulate a defence regarding the 2 strategies
that you have mentioned, especially the second one as i am not
too savvy with IT to link a video as you have suggested.
What about my defence for the extended junction box-could i
include that as part of my defence too..
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 22, 2024, 1:40 pm
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Can someone help me formulate a defence please based on the
evidence..
Thanks
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: Hashim
Date: May 24, 2024, 4:47 pm
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Can someone please help me with the video link...
I will need to make a representation by Monday. Also I have been
sent a paper copy to write the representation. Can't I make a
representation online?
Thanks
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Re: Tfl Royal Docks E6
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 24, 2024, 5:28 pm
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Hi Hashim. You can challenge this online via TFL website. I'm
happy to pull together an initial draft for you over the
weekend.
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