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PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: DavidJP
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:03 pm
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Hi All,
I entered a bus lane slightly earlier than normal to turn left.
Unfortunately, this triggered their camera and I was fined.
In the video I can clearly be shown to indicating left. This is
my first offence - is there a recommended form of words to argue
for leniency or some grace?
As ever - any advice gratefully appreciated!
Video here :
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:08 pm
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Casses like this cannot be assessed without the video, and
you've redacted your PCN Number and car reg, so we can't go and
look at it. So download and post it here yourself, or unredact
the above.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: DavidJP
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:15 pm
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Apologies - now with video :
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:27 pm
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As I thought, another money-grubbing PCN with no traffic
management benefits at all. Many times we see people scooting
up the bus lane to turn left because they're tired of waiting in
a queue to get to the turn. Here you just drifted into the bus
lane on what I would class as de minimis basis with no
undertaking or any attempt to take advantage. .
Wait for others to comment, but I'd be strongly tempted to take
the council all the way to adjudication on this one.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:57 pm
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I have requested the traffic order and also the make and model
of the camera, just in case there are any exploitable issues
around the camera approval.
However as an opening shot it might be worth deploying the
strategy of last resort
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/l-b-waltham-forest-50r-performing-a-prohibited-turn/msg7581/#msg7581,<br
/>do you have any meaningful mitigation that could be deployed?
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: DavidJP
Date: May 4, 2024, 5:26 am
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Many thanks - no mitigation except that the driver in question
isn't too familiar with this stretch of road and doesn't often
drive the vehicle.
I'm not sure how that would wash.
Does the Traffic Order and Make and Model of the camera take a
long time to ascertain?
Thank you again.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 4, 2024, 5:32 am
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--- Quote from: DavidJP link ---
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> Does the Traffic Order and Make and Model of the camera take a
long time to ascertain?
>
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It could take 20 working days, possible more.
I suggest you put a representation in on the last day of the
discount (14 May), this should see the discount reoffered in the
rejection but it will buy you several more weeks. As the purpose
of the representation is really just to buy you some time it's
not massively important what is said, as long as it is
reasonable and polite.
Type up a draft based on the driver not being familiar with the
road and put it on here for us to review.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: DavidJP
Date: May 6, 2024, 3:24 pm
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Hi All - is this draft OK? Grateful for review...
I am writing to appeal a recent penalty charge notice received
for briefly drifting into a bus lane while making a left turn.
The incident occurred on a road the driver does not regularly
travel, and their momentary lapse was not an attempt to exploit
the bus lane. It was an unintended mistake while navigating
unfamiliar roads. Importantly, this the drivers first offence of
this nature, and the incursion into the bus lane was on a
de-minimis basis, with no disruption to traffic flow or safety -
furthermore, there was no intention to gain any advantage over
any other motorist.
Considering the minimal nature of the infringement, the drivers
commitment to safe driving, and this being a first-time offence,
I respectfully request your discretion in cancelling the fine.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 6, 2024, 4:07 pm
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> Importantly, this is the drivers first offence of this nature,
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However looks OK as a "holding" representation.
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Re: PCN | Slough | Bus Lane Incursion Turning Left
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 8, 2024, 12:06 pm
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FOI response from the council:
HTML https://imgur.kageurufu.net/1SbtfHD.png
The camera certificates at
HTML https://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/tma-part-6-list-of-approved-devices/approved-device-certifications-slough.zip<br
/>don't tie back to that make and model.
The Borough of Slough (Various Roads) Bus Lane Order 2020
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Od8Z_u8xvlpaAHIEfDcbvnOPt-JSiJe/view.
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