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NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: Niche
Date: May 3, 2024, 6:57 am
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I’ve got a NIP
Please help!!!
Difficult as that place is on a hill and I’m on the borderline
of speed limit rule to prosecute
I’m 35 on 30 but the road changes to 40 not long before I have
to slow down
Don’t recall who was driving - can’t see in photograph either,
have been victim of scam before so if that’s a ringer I don’t
know.
I’ve noticed no signature on document printed or signed
Obviously want to resolve successfully
Any procedural issues I can use to dispute
I am the registered keeper but the incident is not of my
recollection photos don’t help to identify
Other driver is at work proof available
Ringer issue plausible if Previous victim of crime /scam?
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Re: Elstree NIP
DIR By: Niche
Date: May 3, 2024, 7:06 am
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Some documents
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Re: Elstree NIP
DIR By: Niche
Date: May 3, 2024, 7:07 am
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That’s a pic on the road
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Re: Elstree NIP
DIR By: 666
Date: May 3, 2024, 7:11 am
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Any particular question(s)?
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: May 3, 2024, 7:32 am
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You say it may be a clone, but realistically if you live in the
area and the car was probably on that road that day then it’s
more than likely your car I’d suggest.
The onus is on you to determine who was driving and to excercise
reasonable diligence in finding out, otherwise you’ll turn what
would be a speed awareness course for the driver into 6 points
for yourself. It’s not impossible to use the ‘reasonable
diligence’ defence but not easy (or everyone would do it).
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: May 3, 2024, 8:09 am
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> Difficult as that place is on a hill and I’m on the borderline
of speed limit rule to prosecute
> I’m 35 on 30...
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35 is not "on the borderline". It's the lowest speed at which
enforcement action is taken
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> ....so if that’s a ringer I don’t know.
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Does that look like your vehicle? Is it somewhere it might have
been at the relevant time? It was only just over a week ago.
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> Obviously want to resolve successfully
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By "successfully" do you mean without you or anyone else
receiving any penalty?
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> I am the registered keeper but the incident is not of my
recollection photos don’t help to identify
> Other driver is at work proof available
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Proof of what? You're not being asked to prove where anybody
was. You're being asked to provide the details of the person who
was driving that vehicle at that time and location. You need to
decide firstly whether the photographs actually show your
vehicle and if they do, you need to set about establishing who
was driving it. As above, if you can't you will have to convince
a court that you could not. What steps have you taken so far to
find out who was driving? If you simply turn up in court saying
the incident is not of your recollection you will face
conviction and six points.
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: Niche
Date: May 3, 2024, 10:29 am
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I am wondering if the NIP stands if there is no signature
printed or signed?
I will provide keepers details but it’s difficult to recollect
when this happened.
Second named driver was at work in Finchley at that time.
Can the speeding fine be challenged with the speed being at the
lower limit? What are the successful appeals that can be made
for this low limit prosecution?
Any procedural issues to raise for them to drop it or known
issues with the area ie camera sensitivity or poorly displayed
signage?
Many thanks
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: 666
Date: May 3, 2024, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: Niche link ---
>
> I am wondering if the NIP stands if there is no signature
printed or signed?
> I will provide keepers details but it’s difficult to recollect
when this happened.
> Second named driver was at work in Finchley at that time.
>
> Can the speeding fine be challenged with the speed being at
the lower limit? What are the successful appeals that can be
made for this low limit prosecution?
>
> Any procedural issues to raise for them to drop it or known
issues with the area ie camera sensitivity or poorly displayed
signage?
>
> Many thanks
>
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Someone more qualified can comment on the signature, though I'm
sure if it was an issue New Judge would have picked it up.
As for the 'lower limit', it's there precisely to remove any
doubt: it's 10% over the limit, plus 2 mph.
The only way you can 'challenge' it is to ignore any offers from
the police and to go to court. Since you haven't (so far)
mentioned any possible defence, that would be a foolish
decision, potentially costing you ten times as much.
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: May 3, 2024, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: Niche link ---
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>
>
> ... Can the speeding fine be challenged with the speed being
at the lower limit? What are the successful appeals that can be
made for this low limit prosecution?...
>
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What makes you think you could challenge being prosecuted at
35mph?
The speed limit is 30mph. Enforcement starts at 35mph so
they've already given you over 4mph for free.
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Re: NIP Elstree hill south A5183 Bedfordshire police
DIR By: slapdash
Date: May 3, 2024, 11:55 am
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Even if you do decide to challenge by eventually pleading not
guilty you still need to name the driver or you commit a more
serious offence than the driver did.
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