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#Post#: 21160--------------------------------------------------
Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: April 30, 2024, 10:53 pm
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Hi,
Had appealed this PCN using the previous (PepiPoo) forums.
I had a letter in the hallway regarding a Newlyn Bailiff officer
attending for £1026.
I had appealed this on the basis of assist boarding someone who
had felt sick from alcohol from the bar next to the
contravention.
Key events with timestamps :
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I believe I should have to have OOT forms filled in including a
PE3 if I am correct?
As far as I can remember I do not remember receiving any
rejection letters regarding this and this being the first
correspondence since..
#Post#: 21267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 1, 2024, 9:48 pm
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Is the bailiff's letter addressed to you at your current
address?
Please post up a picture or scan of the letter you received.
Obscure or readact your name and address, please leave
everything else visible. Instructions are in Read This First
sticky post at the to of the forum.
£1026 doesn't make sense for one PCN.
The timeline you posted suggests you received an on-street PCN.
You submitted informal representations which were rejected. You
didn't pay the PCN so a Notice to Owner was then posted to the
Registered Keeper of the car at the address held by the DVLA.
You didn't respond so the matter escalated.
Did you receive the Notice to Owner?
Did you receive the subsequent Charge Certificate?
Did you receive an Order for Recovery?
Please check the V5c registration doc for the car. Is the name &
address 100% correct?
#Post#: 21270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: May 2, 2024, 2:54 am
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--- Quote from: privates link ---
>
> Hi,
>
> I had a letter in the hallway regarding a Newlyn Bailiff
officer attending for £1026
>
--- End Quote ---
For such an amount, I would suspect that you possibly have 3
PCN's with Newlyn. As the initial PCN appears to be for a
parking offence, it would seem likely that you would be required
to submit an Out of Time Witness Statement (forms TE7 AND TE9).
#Post#: 21294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 2, 2024, 7:01 am
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'Exported to Enforcement Agent 16 June 2023'
Elapsed period to letter in the hallway - 46 weeks.
OP, we need full info which includes responses to those
questions which you can anticipate will be asked not just those
which have been.
#Post#: 21307--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: May 2, 2024, 8:42 am
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I have got the PCN number for the second PCN which is :
KE52819829 for vehicle registration : GV22 DZJ.
Challenged 23/08/2022 - Responded with rejection 01/10/2022 via
email - NTO on 09/Nov/2022 to vehicle hire firm - 08/Nov/2022
NTO addressed to me as liability has been transferred - 13th Jan
2023 Charge certificate sent to me - 03/02/2023 Court order -
20/02/2023 I challenged the order for recovery with the court -
21/02/2023 NTO
Court wrote on 20/02/2023 they accepted my TE3 but then no
response to K&C - 21/02/2023 NTO sent again to me - 29/Mar/2023
Charge certificate (no reply) - 26/04/2023 Order for recovery
(no response) - Then case progressed to bailiff -
#Post#: 21309--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: May 2, 2024, 8:55 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> Is the bailiff's letter addressed to you at your current
address?
>
> Please post up a picture or scan of the letter you received.
Obscure or readact your name and address, please leave
everything else visible. Instructions are in Read This First
sticky post at the to of the forum.
>
> £1026 doesn't make sense for one PCN.
>
> The timeline you posted suggests you received an on-street
PCN. You submitted informal representations which were rejected.
You didn't pay the PCN so a Notice to Owner was then posted to
the Registered Keeper of the car at the address held by the
DVLA. You didn't respond so the matter escalated.
>
> Did you receive the Notice to Owner?
> Did you receive the subsequent Charge Certificate?
> Did you receive an Order for Recovery?
>
> Please check the V5c registration doc for the car. Is the name
& address 100% correct?
>
--- End Quote ---
I did not receive the NTO nor the Charge certificate or OFR - I
remember this PCN and remember the PCN having no reply after my
appeal and I had left it there..
I will contact DVLA tomorrow to find exact date as I had
corrected the logbook as it did not have my flat number within
the address.
#Post#: 21313--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 2, 2024, 10:02 am
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So we seem to have 1 Brent PCN and 1 Kensington and Chelsea PCN.
They both sit at £514.
So for each;
£130 = PCN
£65 = Charge Cert uplift
£9 = Traffic Enforcement Centre registration fee
£75 = Newlyn Notice of Enforcement
£235 = Newlyn visit to RK address
£514 = total
Normally the £235 visit fee can only be charged once no matter
how many PCNs are involved. Maybe Bailiff Advice can confirm
whether Newlyn charging this twice is allowed since there are
two different Enforcement Authorities?
and
On the 20/02/2023 you submitted a TE9 Witness Statement to the
TEC concerning the K&C PCN. This was accepted and a replacement
Notice to Owner was sent by K&C?
Are you saying that you still didn't receive it?
and didn't receive the subsequent Charge Certificate?
and didn't receive the subsequent Order for Recovery?
and didn't receive a Notice of Enforcement from Newlyn?
All of the documents should have been sent to the address you
put on the TE9 Witness Statement. If you didn't get the
documents second time round that can only mean the address you
supplied was incorrect. Why so?
#Post#: 21320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: Neil B
Date: May 2, 2024, 10:19 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
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> On the 20/02/2023 you submitted a TE9 Witness Statement to the
TEC concerning the K&C PCN. This was accepted and a replacement
Notice to Owner was sent by K&C?
> Are you saying that you still didn't receive it?
--- End Quote ---
That would likely happen if you used an incorrect address on the
TE9?
#Post#: 21328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: NightSoul
Date: May 2, 2024, 10:56 am
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You need to confirm if the address on the warrant matches your
current address. If it doesn't, the warrant is considered
"defective" and cannot be enforced. Contact the TEC at 0300 123
1059, providing the PCN number initially. During the security
check, provide your previous postcode if it differs. If they
validate that postcode, it indicates the warrant contains your
previous address, rendering it "defective."
If you appeal the PCN with the TEC and provide your current
address on the TE or PE forms, your appeal will be "rejected",
and the TEC will modify the address on the warrant. If this
occurs, enquire with the TEC about the issue date of the
original warrant. If this date precedes your moving to your
current address, Newlyn is in breach for not issuing a Notice of
Enforcement, as mandated by Paragraph 7.1 of Schedule 12 of the
Tribunals Courts and Enforcement Act 2007.
#Post#: 21410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newlyn attendance - Unpaid PCN
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: May 3, 2024, 5:35 am
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--- Quote from: privates link ---
>
>
> I will contact DVLA tomorrow to find exact date as I had
corrected the logbook as it did not have my flat number within
the address.
>
--- End Quote ---
According to the DVLA online service, the last Log Book for your
vehicle reg was issued on 4th August 2022.
Bailiff Advice
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