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Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 29, 2024, 11:53 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]
I hope all is well. I have been awaiting this Notice to Owner
form my neighbour has just knocked and said she accidently took
some of my post. Guess what was in there. GREAT. Thankfully
there was 28 days to respond so there is still time, phew.
I have uploaded the pictures and my response to the one drive
folder and have created a new editable
HTML https://1drv.ms/f/c/8325bebbfedddc3d/Eja0BTpWtMNCuzpAx_rw8LgB7pbrgJ2Rf2DFgJdKT5kZhg?e=nb5Tdwlink<br
/>in case that is useful
I'd really appreciate any feedback.
Many thanks
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Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 30, 2024, 3:44 am
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What I have written.
To whom it may concern,
I am making a formal challenge due to my informal challenge’s
raised points not being understood and taken into consideration.
Prior to my journey I had checked the map provided on the
Lambeth Councils website
HTML https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/parking/parking-restrictions/where-you-can-park/motorbike-parking<br
/>and using the provided map
HTML https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-06/Lambeth_Broroughwide_Motorcycle_Bays.pdf<br
/>it was understood to me that the council line ends as per the
map. You can clearly see to the top, left and right of the map
where it is clear, so why does it not end at the bottom or
include the whole council to avoid confusion, especially when
viewing from a mobile phone. As someone with ADHD I find that
this could easily confuse other people as the map is not clear
and complete. Due to this I thought I was out of Lambeth council
and would have been able to park here without payment.
(included a screenshot of the map on the document)
After following the information on the council’s website this is
even more frustrating and feels unfair as I am not able to
afford the fine, I am on Universal Credit which doesn’t even
cover my rent and am in debt to pay for food.
I am asking for this fine to cancelled as well as this map to be
updated properly as can be easily misunderstood by anyone,
especially someone with learning disabilities.
#Post#: 24512--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 30, 2024, 4:18 pm
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[member=1593]silentbob[/member] I think we need to come up with
something better than that, as your representation could be
batted away as raising only mitigating circumstances on which
the council's decision is final.
I think the strategy described here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/l-b-waltham-forest-50r-performing-a-prohibited-turn/msg7581/#msg7581<br
/>is worth considering, as it would put you on far firmer
footing,
but please let me know if the proposed approach is clear.
#Post#: 24519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 30, 2024, 5:00 pm
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OP, I don't quite follow the series of events.
You posted:
I parked my motorcycle in Shrubbery Road at 13:00. I know in
Lambeth I need to park in motorcycle bays and had checked the
pdf linked below where I can park. Viewing the PDF on my mobile,
I understood that at the bottom of the page would be the end of
the council, as the rest of the map is marked out. Thus south
would then be Croydon Council where it is legal & free to park a
motorcycle on the road sign posted the same.
Which leads to what seems to me to be the obvious questions:
why didn't you just check whether Shrubbery was in Croydon
rather than Lambeth?
why did you assume that 'south would be Croydon council' - given
that this wasn't shown on your map- unless you already had
detailed knowledge of the respective boroughs?
As per others, IMO you won't succeed on the basis you've set
out.
#Post#: 24539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 31, 2024, 3:10 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]
Thank you, I understand the approach, I don't know/understand
how to execute it.
Appealing on strategy 1, should I keep the info in about the map
issues and financial and then ask for a authority's
discretionary power not to enforce, or just take it out and go
straight from my financial side? I obviously want to do whatever
is best for my case but I also want to shine a light at the
information that they have provided.(I understand I can do this
outside of this)
EDIT. Okay I have found a service, Linkly that does this, I can
create a unique link that will track clicks. I will add this to
my word doc.
On Strategy 2, how can I do this? I don't have access to
Enterprise Office365 or dropbox etc. Do you have any experience
with this? Haven't been able to find anything online and the
only thing I can think of it putting the image on Imgur but this
also will track me refreshing to check if they've looked as a
view so I don't know how I could prove it.
Thank you
#Post#: 24540--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 31, 2024, 3:26 am
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[member=428]H C Andersen[/member]
Thanks for the reply.
London councils are really frustrating as they all have
different parking rules for motorcycles which change, often with
no notice. In the past in Lambeth it used to be free to park
anywhere, this changed in 2020 and back when I was living in
Wandsworth I parked in Lambeth and received a PCN, so became
aware of the change and thus now check councils websites before
I set off as the info is only ever on their "motorcycle parking"
section.
I don't know where all the council boundaries are, I knew my
battery was low so checked the site on where it would be
safe(free) to park and then set off. I couldn't check once I
arrived as my phone was dead and there was no visible signage to
indicate one way or the other. The info is often hard enough to
find which council you are in, especially when on boundary lines
so the map provided in my head made sense as its blank in
spaces. Just frustrating, the top half of the map is complete
but missing the bottom. If I knew I was still in Lambeth I
wouldn't have parked there and would have driven around looking
for a motorcycle parking
#Post#: 24544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 31, 2024, 4:44 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member]
I have updated my letter with a second draft hopefully heading
more in the correct direction with your advice. (I will create a
new link before sending)
To whom it may concern,
I am making a formal challenge due to my informal challenge’s
raised points not being understood and taken into consideration.
Prior to my journey I had checked the information provided on
the Lambeth Councils website and used the provided map
HTML https://2ly.link/1yHY8
so it was understood to me that the
council line ends as per the map. You can clearly see to the
top, left and right of the map where it is clear, so why does it
not end at the bottom or include the whole council to avoid
confusion, especially when viewing from a mobile phone. As
someone with ADHD I find that this could easily confuse other
people as the map is not clear and complete. Due to this I
understood I was out of Lambeth council and would have been able
to park here without payment.
If this is not sufficient, I make a plea for discretion from the
council. I am on Universal Credit currently whilst fallen in
hard times and the payment unfortunately doesn’t even cover my
rent and am in debt to pay for food, I cannot afford this. The
fear of this cost is adding additional stress and anxiety to my
situation which feels unjust.
I am asking for this fine to cancelled as well as this map to be
updated properly as can be easily misunderstood by anyone,
especially someone with learning disabilities.
Many thanks,
NAME
#Post#: 24590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 31, 2024, 1:42 pm
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[member=1593]silentbob[/member] I've had a look at linkly and
you can look at the click stats on the "links" tab, without
having to actually open the link yourself. I've set up a test
link to this thread and this is what it looks like:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MDhTSHg.png
If when you get the notice of rejection the "total" number of
clicks is still zero, you've got the evidence you need. You'll
just need a screenshot showing that page on linkly and another
browser window show the
HTML https://time.is/
website (just to avoid
any suggestions that you changed the date on your own computer).
I think you need to include some supporting evidence regarding
your financial circumstances, such as bank statements, letters
from creditors, universal credit etc, the more the better. This
should all be provided by means of additional links.
Mitigating evidence is in some ways more important because only
the council can allow an appeal based on mitigation, so a
failure to consider mitigating evidence is arguably far more
serious because it cannot be put right by the adjudicator.
#Post#: 24607--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: silentbob
Date: May 31, 2024, 3:53 pm
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Thanks [member=1]cp8759[/member]
Yes, that’s it, pretty decent for a free product (free for first
1000 clicks) exactly what is needed.
I will upload my bank statements (privately), loan agreements,
UC income slip etc and create unique links for each of them and
include them in my letter daft that I had posted in my previous
message.
Once updated, unless you think there is anything else to add I
will get it sent off first thing tomorrow.
Thanks again for your time and help, hope you have a great
evening
#Post#: 24610--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth - PCN 12s - without permit/p&d - Motorcycle
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 31, 2024, 4:18 pm
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Just make sure to grab a screenshot of the confirmation page
once you've submitted.
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