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Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Bobos
Date: April 25, 2024, 11:06 am
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Hello to all
It appears that the other site where I first put the topic
cannot be reached !
So some internet searching brought me here I hope I can be
helped
Original enquiry
I am dealing with a pcn yellow box junction on Welling high st
borough of Bexley
I am looking at past cases regarding the wording of the pcn
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Consensus is that according to the London Local Authorities and
Transport for London Act 2003
(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—
(a)state—
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the
period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the
amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified
proportion;
The wording for pcn by Bexley council see attached
The penalty charge notice must be paid not later that the last
day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service
of this notice ( considered to be two postal days after the date
of this notice)
My question is does the bit in brackets negate the way of
dealing with this in the past referencing patas 2160496258
2170013703 2180111742
I saw on previous pcn notices to others that the bit in brackets
was not on their pcn
If still valid reason would I put it under "The penalty charge
exceeded the amount applicable"
Thanks in advance
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I received some replies and put in a representation
I make these collateral challenges against the PCN:
1. It wrongly states the period in which to pay. The Notice
statement with regard to the increase of the penalty charge by
50% is referenced to the date of service rather than the date of
the notice and the same regarding the 14 day discount period.
2. The taken without consent ground clearly fetters to theft by
its very wording that a crime report be provided. Therefore,
this inaccurate reflection of the statutory ground does not take
into account that a relative, or friend, may have taken the
vehicle without the owner's permission so that the owner would
not necessarily, if at all, report the matter to the Police in
such circumstances or, indeed, make an insurance claim.
In light of these substantial departures from the statutory
framework, the PCN is unenforceable.
Please cancel the PCN forthwith.
I have since received a reply from council
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Do I have a case? or is it better to pay up as the legalese I
find quite baffling
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 25, 2024, 2:16 pm
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Hang on a minute, you've said nothing at all about the alleged
contravention itself ! So before you trot off into proposed
technical arguments, do let us have a look at the video.
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Bobos
Date: April 26, 2024, 4:32 am
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Apologies
My other half driving she does seem to collect these :-[
Just received another for dropping off at gatwick :-X
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2024, 4:44 pm
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Can't see much to argue over the contravention itself:
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The PCN is defective and they have also misunderstood your
representations on the second point, I think this should be an
easy win on appeal.
I'm going to drop you a PM in case you'd like to be represented
at the tribunal.
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Bobos
Date: May 5, 2024, 7:41 am
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Rejection letter received
Next stop adjudication
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 12, 2024, 3:41 pm
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Outcome
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 13, 2024, 3:56 am
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Let's hope they do not learn! This is kindergarten material, of
course, to copy and paste from the legislation.
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Bobos
Date: July 13, 2024, 7:07 am
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Thanks to all who replied and cp8759 for the help in dealing
with it.
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Re: Bexley PCN 31J Welling high st/Danson La
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: July 13, 2024, 2:36 pm
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Well done for staying the course and please spread the word. ;D
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