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#Post#: 20375--------------------------------------------------
TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: Fazzy
Date: April 23, 2024, 6:39 am
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Hi all,
I've received this PCN.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ZNTDnr1/Whats-App-Image-2024-04-23-at-11-00-33-AM.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/4JNr6Lg
There's only 3 pics -no video - timestamped 16.45.16, 16.45.20
and 16.45.28 - so very close together showing my car within the
box junction with plenty of space in the front and back so I'm
not sure what the circumstance was at the time. Can I request
for video evidence to see if I was actually waiting or if I was
blocked by the drivers swerving in from Victoria road? The
camera must be relatively new instalment and I'm not sure if
it's legally up to scratch?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Pic:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/27N5p3V
Google map:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/q8UzSFxMnRxLjJqZ7
#Post#: 20382--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 23, 2024, 8:34 am
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YBJ cases hinge on the video.
TfL are in the dark ages, so you have to ring them up and ask
them to send the video, which will be a DVD. When you get it,
post the video on here.
Be aware that whilst TfL will tell you the case has bee put on
hold, its only on hold until they send it, not you receiving it,
so keep your eye on the PCN deadline to pay or submit
representations. If it starts to get close, without the DVD
arriving, contact them again.
The photos you have got are frames from the video. There are
certain things we look out for on the video, so can't really
advise until we've seen it.
#Post#: 20390--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: Fazzy
Date: April 23, 2024, 9:20 am
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Thank you. Requested. They’ve put a hold for 14 days and asked
me to call back if it’s not received by that time. I’ll update
once I receive it.
#Post#: 20771--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: Fazzy
Date: April 27, 2024, 10:21 am
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I've received the DVD and managed to find an ancient laptop to
view it on. The full video was 5 minutes long but i'm posting
from 16.44 when my car enters till it goes out of view. I can
post the full video if necessary.
I cant see what's happening up ahead but it seems like its my
mistake. It must be combination of carelessness as this was a
box junction not previously ticketing plus the distraction up
ahead. The road leads to turning left towards fore street and
turning right towards North Circular and it can get a bit
chaotic as cars from Victoria Road jump in.
Is there anything that can be seen from the video that is appeal
worthy? Please let me know.
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/saj4a1z36iqt0xm5bpbjd/IMG_5997.MOV?rlkey=far77xfai9adcnmmann3ano0t&e=1&st=chr6zmww&dl=0
#Post#: 20812--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 27, 2024, 1:57 pm
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It's a typical money-grubbing PCN we see so often nowadays which
has no traffic management purpose whatsoever.
Having said that, this won't get the PCN cancelled ! The
intrusion into the box is not great, and I suppose you could say
you realised you would not get across the box without stopping,
so stopped and thought you were clear of the box. Obviously the
video shows you wern't clear, but you did recognise the yellow
box and acted accordingly, and would ask the PCN be cancelled on
this occasion.
There may, of course, be a "technical" defence to the PCN, so
wait a bit until others have responded, but don't miss the
deadline for paying or submitting representations.
#Post#: 20934--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2024, 6:14 pm
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[member=160]Fazzy[/member] well The GLA Roads (No.3) Designation
Order 2008
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dmzc0AJXf0tw_JL5aRpLNt5nO-dbq-St/view<br
/>does not make Silver Street a GLA road, and as far as I can
work
out The GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Enfield) Designation
Order 2000 doesn't either (at least not the relevant part of
Silver Street).
That being said all the original side road designation orders
have been replaced by newer orders made by the Mayor of London,
so I'll request the latest version from TFL.
In the meantime put in a representation saying the contravention
is de-minimis just to buy us some time, as long as the
representation is made by 1st May this will preserve the
discount.
#Post#: 21947--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 9, 2024, 9:32 am
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[member=160]Fazzy[/member] did you make a representation as I
suggested?
Here are:
The GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Enfield) Designation Order
2008
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aixKCxAEX7D6eK4gIw3hkPuc8mi9YjN7/view
The GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Enfield) Designation
Variation Order 2011
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A41a6Lp9vA2VaNYG11Zgo6qVa_grxRsK/view
#Post#: 21948--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: Fazzy
Date: May 9, 2024, 9:38 am
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Yes I did make a representation stating deminimis and request
for mercy 😅
GLA side road point is going over my head at the moment. Is
there something I’m looking for or suppose to do? Sorry.
#Post#: 22606--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 15, 2024, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Fazzy link ---
>
> Yes I did make a representation stating deminimis and request
for mercy 😅
>
> GLA side road point is going over my head at the moment. Is
there something I’m looking for or suppose to do? Sorry.
>
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Post up all pages of the notice of rejection when you get it and
I'll confirm if there's an arguable appeal or whether it would
be best to pay the discount.
#Post#: 22626--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL redroute -Enfield, Silver St -Code 31 Box Junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: May 15, 2024, 3:43 pm
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Slightly tenuous but PCN states contravention at 1645, whereas
it occurred at 1644, and it looks like by 1645 the white van was
no longer stationary so no offence at this time.
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