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Am I doomed?
DIR By: Rocket55
Date: April 21, 2024, 10:27 am
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I have been away for work recently, during this time my partner
has been using my car.
Turns out she’s been parking in a private car park but wasn’t
aware because she wasn’t getting tickets on the car.
I’ve returned home to numerous letters from UKPC with parking
fines (some of which have reached final warning and debt
collector stage), we don’t live together so my mail wasn’t being
opened.
There is around 5 fines in total.
If I attempt to contact UKPC and explain the situation is their
any chance they might be understanding and reduce the amount I
owe? Accepted the fact we’re going to have to pay something but
the amount outstanding is so excessive.
Or am I doomed and just going to have to grin a bear it?
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Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: April 21, 2024, 10:36 am
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To help us help you, please read the following thread and
provide as much of the info asked for as you are able to: READ
THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
If uploading copies of the notices we don't need to see any debt
collector notices or reminders, just original notices and a note
as to what stage each is up to.
You mention that your partner was unaware that they were on
private land - in this case, it'll be particularly useful to see
the signage at the car park to determine whether it is suitably
prominent. If it isn't, this could be an avenue of defence.
As this is UKPC you might also want to read this thread from the
MSE forum: DCB LEGAL RECORD OF PRIVATE PARKING COURT CLAIM
DISCONTINUATIONS
HTML https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6377263/dcb-legal-record-of-private-parking-court-claim-discontinuations.<br
/>A bit of a pattern seems to have emerged whereby UKPC
essentially play chicken with defendants, before discontinuing
at the last moment. This seems to happen fairly regularly, but
we can't offer any guarantees it'll happen in your case, and
there is a risk that multiple tickets increases their incentive
to go all the way.
In the meantime, let's get all the info in play and see what
we're dealing with.
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Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: Rocket55
Date: April 23, 2024, 10:26 am
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I have attached photos of four of the letters, there is another
one dated 02/04/2024.
The first two have reached debt collector stage, the remaining
three are on final reminder stage.
Can't provide photos of car park at the moment. I have been told
that there is signage in the car park.
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Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: April 23, 2024, 3:52 pm
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Ah, you're in Scotland? In which case, you have yourself a 'get
out of jail free' card! Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms
Act 2012 does not apply in Scotland, as it does in England and
Wales, so there is not (currently) any keeper liability in
Scotland.
You can either ignore them, or, as you can positively state that
you were not the driver, you could write to UKPC once*,
referencing all of the PCN numbers, pointing out the following:
- That you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, but that
you were not the driver on any of the occasions for which they
have issued parking charge notices
- That you are under no obligation to name the driver, and will
not be doing so
- That as you are not the driver, they are unable to recover the
charge from you, and they and their debt collectors should cease
contacting you about the charges
If you do decide to write to them, feel free to share a draft.
I'd only write to them once if you do, don't waste your time
with any extended correspondence. If they try to claim you can
be held liable as the registered keeper, let us know.
*As there are multiple charges in play, it might be wise to do
so, just so they know you understand your position.
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Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: chamchi
Date: April 24, 2024, 6:21 am
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Great spot in the above post
#Post#: 20589--------------------------------------------------
Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: Rocket55
Date: April 25, 2024, 8:31 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> Ah, you're in Scotland? In which case, you have yourself a
'get out of jail free' card! Schedule 4 of the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012 does not apply in Scotland, as it does in
England and Wales, so there is not (currently) any keeper
liability in Scotland.
>
> You can either ignore them, or, as you can positively state
that you were not the driver, you could write to UKPC once*,
referencing all of the PCN numbers, pointing out the following:
>
>
- That you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, but that
you were not the driver on any of the occasions for which they
have issued parking charge notices
>
- That you are under no obligation to name the driver, and will
not be doing so
>
- That as you are not the driver, they are unable to recover the
charge from you, and they and their debt collectors should cease
contacting you about the charges
>
>
> If you do decide to write to them, feel free to share a draft.
I'd only write to them once if you do, don't waste your time
with any extended correspondence. If they try to claim you can
be held liable as the registered keeper, let us know.
>
> *As there are multiple charges in play, it might be wise to do
so, just so they know you understand your position.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am yes. Many thanks for your response.
I will probably write to them, just to stop the constant influx
of letters if anything.
Thanks again.
#Post#: 20591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: Rocket55
Date: April 25, 2024, 8:53 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> Ah, you're in Scotland? In which case, you have yourself a
'get out of jail free' card! Schedule 4 of the Protection of
Freedoms Act 2012 does not apply in Scotland, as it does in
England and Wales, so there is not (currently) any keeper
liability in Scotland.
>
> You can either ignore them, or, as you can positively state
that you were not the driver, you could write to UKPC once*,
referencing all of the PCN numbers, pointing out the following:
>
>
- That you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, but that
you were not the driver on any of the occasions for which they
have issued parking charge notices
>
- That you are under no obligation to name the driver, and will
not be doing so
>
- That as you are not the driver, they are unable to recover the
charge from you, and they and their debt collectors should cease
contacting you about the charges
>
>
> If you do decide to write to them, feel free to share a draft.
I'd only write to them once if you do, don't waste your time
with any extended correspondence. If they try to claim you can
be held liable as the registered keeper, let us know.
>
> *As there are multiple charges in play, it might be wise to do
so, just so they know you understand your position.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quick one, on their website I only seem to be able to appeal one
fine at a time, and I can no longer appeal the tickets that have
been referred to debt recovery.
Would you suggest just writing to them via a letter?
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Re: Am I doomed?
DIR By: b789
Date: April 25, 2024, 9:14 am
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Save yourself the effort. Just ignore any and all correspondence
from them or their debt collectors. UKPC have moved their league
dept internally and have proven to be intellectually
malnourished.
Let them waste their money on correspondence that you can safely
ignore.
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