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#Post#: 1040--------------------------------------------------
PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road, Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: July 8, 2023, 12:09 pm
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Hello Experts,
I have received a PCN on Portland Road, Kingston which is only
for parking permit holders. I had gone there only temporarily to
meet a friend, could someone advise if it can be represented.
Thanks
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#Post#: 1080--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 9, 2023, 6:18 pm
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Here
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/VGinW5eMyuudtYNYA?
The photos don't show any evidence of any bay markings, nor do
they show where the sign is in relation to the car:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/4Ftflaz.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/5ty54y4.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/VGpqfNZ.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/GjNQ8zq.jpg
Did you just not know about the restrictions? Did you see any
signs?
#Post#: 1082--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: July 10, 2023, 12:36 am
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Hi, Thanks for the reply. I saw the signs, I was keeping an eye
on the car as I was only there temporarily but it happened, I
even saw the officer and requested but he had already put the
ticket.
#Post#: 1083--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: July 10, 2023, 12:56 am
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Looks like the markings are faded?
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Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 10, 2023, 3:53 am
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Those could equally be bird poo markings, they're not bay
markings in any meaningful sense and they're definitely nowhere
near substantially compliant. Here's a draft representation:
[indent]
Dear Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames,
I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not
occur. The photos taken by the civil enforcement officer clearly
show that there are no visible bay markings, let alone
substantially compliant bay markings. It follows that the
contravention did not occur and the PCN must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
The council might reject but I think there's strong grounds to
take this all the way to the tribunal, the markings should have
been repainted years ago.
#Post#: 1089--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: July 10, 2023, 5:01 am
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Thanks a lot for the draft representation, I have now challenged
the PCN, will keep you posted on the outcome.
#Post#: 1779--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: July 22, 2023, 1:01 pm
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Hi, I have received reply for the representation, they have
rejected it, Please find the letter attached.
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#Post#: 1780--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: July 22, 2023, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: dk007 link ---
>
> Hi, Thanks for the reply. I saw the signs, I was keeping an
eye on the car as I was only there temporarily but it happened,
I even saw the officer and requested but he had already put the
ticket.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, essentially, you chanced your arm, hoping a CEO wouldn't
come along, and lost. Normally for parking in such places, you
have to get a visitor permit from the resident; why didn't you ?
#Post#: 1816--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 23, 2023, 6:02 pm
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Well, if they admit the CEO photos don't confirm the presence of
bay markings that's the nail in the coffin for their case
really. If the CEO photos don't show any markings and they
haven't supplied any other photos showing them, how can they
possibly know that the markings are there?
There are three possible explanations:
1) The author of the rejection has personally visited the
location and seen the markings for himself,
2) The author of the rejection has some photos which he's not
seen fit to share with you, or
3) The author of the rejection has no idea whether the markings
are there or not and he's just made it up.
Call me a cynic but I very much suspect it's option 3.
#Post#: 4442--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN received on a parking permit road, Portland Road,
Kingston
DIR By: dk007
Date: September 5, 2023, 4:48 pm
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Hi, what should be the next course of action on this, have not
received any Notice to owner yet.
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