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#Post#: 20682--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: willdudeuk
Date: April 26, 2024, 5:48 am
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Video Evidence - GX14225559
HTML https://youtu.be/M_F8QsGoPS8
#Post#: 20685--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 26, 2024, 6:19 am
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Well, I have to say the contravention itself seems to be made on
from the video. You blithely entered the box with no hesitation
at all, but the car in front occupied the only space, thus
forcing you to stop.
However, don't rush to pay yet, bcause experts on here are very
good at finding flaws in TfL's management of the enforcement
process, so wait a bit, but don't miss the deadline for payment
or submitting reps if nobody answers.
#Post#: 20687--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: willdudeuk
Date: April 26, 2024, 6:40 am
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Okay thank you for your response
[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
I’m not sure how long the PCN gets suspended after the video has
been given out and received.
Also I’m not sure what I should be putting in my challenge for
the representation.
#Post#: 20700--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: April 26, 2024, 7:44 am
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The contravention is causing a vehicle to enter the box then
having to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles
The video does not show the entry into the box nor the reason
for the stop,
2160264616
Paragraph 7(1) of Part II of Schedule 19 to the Traffic Signs
Regulations and General Directions 2002 provides that no person
shall cause a vehicle to enter a box junction so that the
vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence
of stationary vehicle.
In this case the closed circuit television evidence produced by
Transport for London does not show the Appellant’s vehicle as it
enters the box junction.
Although the vehicle does stop within the box junction, I cannot
determine the position when the vehicle actually entered the
box, as this is completely outside the focus of the camera.
Considering all the evidence before me carefully I cannot find
as a fact that, on this particular occasion, a contravention did
occur.
Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.
#Post#: 20705--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: willdudeuk
Date: April 26, 2024, 8:18 am
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Thank [member=156]Pastmybest[/member] appreciate you putting
this together for me.
What is the number reference you have quoted? Is that a case
number from another or similar contravention?
The initial video doesn’t show the entry however the latter
videos do so I am not sure how convincing this will be. Unless I
am missing something?
Still would like to challenge this and see if we can get the PCN
cancelled.
#Post#: 20709--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: April 26, 2024, 10:29 am
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We need to see all of the video not just part of it and all of
the PCN excepting your personal details. Is the car leased or
owned?
The case reference is for the case Tran scripted below the ref
number and is one of many
#Post#: 20715--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: willdudeuk
Date: April 26, 2024, 11:36 am
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Hi the car is owned by myself.
All the PCN details / paperwork are at the beginning of this
thread if that’s what you need?
Regarding the video evidence that is all that TFL have provided
to me. Do you believe it is insufficient
[member=156]Pastmybest[/member]
#Post#: 20727--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: April 26, 2024, 4:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> The contravention is causing a vehicle to enter the box then
having to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles
>
> The video does not show the entry into the box nor the reason
for the stop, ...
>
--- End Quote ---
Perhaps I'm mistaken but the video does show both doesn't it?
From 54 secs et seq...
#Post#: 20733--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 26, 2024, 6:11 pm
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The video is in two parts, so one must allow it to run. I got
caught out by this last year. The latter half shows entry into
the box. There are two cameras in use, the one zoomed-in, and
the other with a high level view. The clock times link the
frames.
#Post#: 20737--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL, Code 31 - Box Junction, Marylebone Rd / Park Crescent
West
DIR By: willdudeuk
Date: April 27, 2024, 2:03 am
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So looks like I will need pay this then? No wiggle room out?
Unless there are anymore suggestions? Appreciate all the help
and support so far. Thank you.
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