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PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: April 16, 2024, 2:40 am
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My van broke down while navigate around to find a place to park
(turned out to be private land). When I returned 15m later I
found a parking ticked had been issued by PCM UK LTD.
The mechanic who came out said he would provide a receipt or
report affirming the issues but he is turning out to be
unreliable and/or busy. To cut a long story short, I gave up on
him and decided to pay the ticket at the reduced amount of £60.
Problem is, their website seems to have serious performance
issues and rejected the payment in spite of me trying several
times and then also checking with my card issuer. The believe
the issues is with their site being slow to share the data,
eventually timing out. I also tried calling the number on the
ticket but their phones were equally unreliable.
Today I decided to try again but the ticket has increased in
price to £100. Now I did grab a screenshot showing the page
declining payment on the 13th of April.
Should I just chase the mechanic for the letter/invoice or is
there another way to sort this out.
I must say, this company seems really basic as they dont answer
calls and their website is unreliable..makes me wonder if they
are even legit.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 19777--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: April 16, 2024, 4:22 am
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
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> makes me wonder if they are even legit.
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Depends what you mean by 'legit' - they're by no means a nice
outfit to deal with, but they are persistent. They can be fairly
litigious and may try to sue you for the money.
From your account of the event in question, it sounds like you
have the makings of a defence of 'frustration of contract', you
were unable to meet your obligations under the contract due to
circumstances outside of your control. It would be wise to keep
trying to get some sort of invoice or receipt for the repair
works, or try to acquire any other evidence you can that the
vehicle broke down.
It sounds like you haven't submitted any sort of appeal thus
far, is this correct?
To help us help you, take a look through the following thread
and provide as much information you can that is mentioned
therein: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
#Post#: 19782--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: b789
Date: April 16, 2024, 6:59 am
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It's your money and as long as you don't mind being marked as a
"mug" for future scamming, by all means try and pay them. Don't
think for a minute that you are dealing with a company that
cares about your frustration of contract. They are a firm of
ex-clamper thugs whose only interest is how much of your money
that can scam out of you.
They have been labeled "cowboys" and "scammers" in parliament.
When the upcoming "Private Parking Code of Practice" Act becomes
law, hopefully later this year or early next year, they won't be
allowed to rip off victims in circumstances like yours where you
were broken down. However, for now, your best option is to
defend any claim should they decide to pursue you for the
alleged debt.
As you have already experienced, they don't make it easy for you
to pay the bribe discount, charge. They have now upped it to
£100. You can decide that you don't mind paying them or you can
fight it. Your choice.
If this ever got to court, your defence would include the fact
that you were no "parked". You were broken down which is a
vicissitude that has been used as a defence on many cases. The
appeal court decision in Jopson v Homeguard
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ezhkj6epu66l1r/JOPSON-V-HOMEGUARD-2906J-Approved.pdf?dl=0<br
/>[2016] B9GF0A9E, is the persuasive argument that would be
used.
One question though... why did you disappear for 15 minutes?
Were you aware that you were on private land and that you may be
liable for a charge? Was the NtD on your windscreen PoFA
compliant and did the follow up NtK arrive within the prescribed
time and with the necessary wording to hold the keeper liable?
The driver and the keeper are two separate legal entities in
private parking cases.
#Post#: 30904--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: July 24, 2024, 3:15 am
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One question though... why did you disappear for 15 minutes?
Went to meet the mechanic who struggled to find my location.
Were you aware that you were on private land and that you may be
liable for a charge?
No I wasn't aware.
Was the NtD on your windscreen PoFA compliant and did the follow
up NtK arrive within the prescribed time and with the necessary
wording to hold the keeper liable? The driver and the keeper are
two separate legal entities in private parking cases.
I honestly don't know, but I assume it must have been. I doubt
this rogue operation haven't plugged all of those holes.
#Post#: 30908--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 24, 2024, 3:23 am
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> I honestly don't know, but I assume it must have been. I doubt
this rogue operation haven't plugged all of those holes.
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Better to check rather than assume, especially if there's a
prospect of you being sued.
If you want further advice, we really could do with seeing some
documents.
Has anything more happened in the 3 months since the thread was
started?
#Post#: 30918--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: July 24, 2024, 4:39 am
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Right let me check with the Mrs and post up anything we have
Parking Warning Sign:
HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8opBsHSezXg5HXq8
Aerial view of location:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/Broad+St,+Reading/@51.4549154,-0.9737693,90m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x48769b16fb825c55:0x30a6222848f94035!8m2!3d51.455641!4d-0.9728439!16s%2Fm%2F05q9q0g?entry=ttu
View of area:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4550109,-0.9739402,3a,75y,95.48h,93.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAwT4KVLHYi0oGOyMIjmTpQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DAwT4KVLHYi0oGOyMIjmTpQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D95.48449686922241%26pitch%3D-3.453122262459317%26thumbfov%3D90!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu
#Post#: 30949--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: b789
Date: July 24, 2024, 6:07 am
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We need to see the PCN please.
#Post#: 30987--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: July 24, 2024, 10:51 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
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> We need to see the PCN please.
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I've looked everywhere for it and can't seem to find it. Am I
screwed?
#Post#: 31055--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: July 24, 2024, 8:22 pm
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I've not had any follow-up letters as far as I know.
What do you think I should do?
#Post#: 31059--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCM UK LTD issued ticket while broken down on private land
DIR By: b789
Date: July 25, 2024, 1:40 am
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If you’ve been accessing the website in order to try and make
payment, then you must have some relevant information such as
the PCN number. That can only be from the NtD that was left on
your windscreen or from a follow up NtK that was sent by post.
In stead of trying to waste your money trying to pay it, why
don’t you log in as though to appeal it and see exactly what
evidence they have. Download whatever there is and show us.
What time of day did this event happen? Was it daylight or dark
out? Is the address in the V5C logbook up to date and correct?
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