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#Post#: 20230--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 21, 2024, 5:26 pm
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With these Ring Go machines, what about those of us to don't
posses a smart phone or credit/debit card? How can we be
expected to pay for or book parking?
#Post#: 20238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: April 21, 2024, 5:54 pm
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And to add my 2 pence worth.... maybe to make it easier for the
motorist (which they do not), is to have a block on those
periods where you can't park on the app (if you did have a
smartphone), so for example, if you did try to book a spot
between let's say 4-7 pm THE RINGO app would come back with an
error message, etc.
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Anyway, I've added [member=1]cp8759[/member]'s response to the
potential rep.
Is this ok to send off?
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Ref: PCN VRM
I challenge this PCN on 2 fronts:
1. The wording of the PCN in terms of the 28 days period is
wrong since it does not comply with Schedule 2 para. 2 @ -
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/schedule/2
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(d)that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28
days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention
occurred.
2. The contravention alleged on the face of the notice is "01 -
Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours", however
as the CEO's photos will confirm my blue badge was properly
displayed. By virtue of regulation 8(2) of The Local
Authorities' Traffic Orders (Exemptions for Disabled Persons)
(England) Regulations 2000, a properly displayed disabled
person's badge is a complete defense to the contravention
alleged on the face of the penalty charge notice.
In light of this procedural impropriety & regarding the blue
badge the penalty charge must be cancelled.
Also, could I kindly request the notes of the parking officer? I
managed to meet the parking officer on the day for an
explanation of why the PCN was given. He explained that I
shouldn't have parked in the bus lane and that I should pay the
fine.
Kind Regards
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#Post#: 20239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 21, 2024, 6:08 pm
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[member=311]zeezee[/member] it's up to you but my recommendation
is to send what I drafted exactly as it is. You won't get the
CEO's notes in this way so there's no point in asking, you would
have to make a subject access request under GDPR but that would
be entirely separate from the representations process. I also
don't see how the CEO's notes would make any difference.
#Post#: 20241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: April 21, 2024, 6:20 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] - Thank you
- I'll take that advice on board (and will remember to take that
screenshot - just in case the council denied my rep received
(but I'm sure I'll get an email confirmation - let's see).
I think I have until this Friday for the 14 days to expire - so
I will submit the rep before then.
#Post#: 20279--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: Glitch
Date: April 22, 2024, 8:48 am
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I know it's Ringo only in Redbridge these days (from 1st Feb
2024) but the Ticket Machine says Charges Apply Mon-Sat 8:30am -
6:30pm - Disabled Free
Plus the signs still say - Or pay at machine.
Seems misleading to me.
Have the times changes since 1st Feb?
#Post#: 21666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: May 6, 2024, 4:53 am
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Hi All,
Redbridge has responded and has rejected the initial appeal.
Not sure where to go from here now?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/7R6vW5K.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/AqTwwMM.jpeg
#Post#: 21670--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: guest17
Date: May 6, 2024, 5:28 am
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OP---stick with it.
Forget about the bus lane; the PCN is a Code 01 so is governed
by the SYL and the sign.
Your Dad in displaying a BB and Clock had every right to park
there and the Council are being disingenuous in saying
otherwise.
Wait for the NTO and resubmit the same as an appeal.
Mike
#Post#: 21673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: May 6, 2024, 6:29 am
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OP, as you have time can we sort out who's who and what's what
pl.
Your first post states that your Dad was driving, but subsequent
posts refer to 'I' from which I infer you, not your Dad.
Who submitted the informal reps and to whom is the council's
reply addressed?
This makes a difference because a NTO is sent to the registered
keeper and only they may submit formal reps. So, who is the RK
and are their DVLA details current?
The photos. Are these yours, the council's or a mix? As you've
deleted the VRM we cannot look at the council's photos, you
might reinstate the VRM as this will make life easier as the
matter progresses. It is important that if there is a council
photo(s) of the BB on the dashboard that we see this.
As regards any possible request for the CEO's notes under
GDPR(I'll take advice as to whether this even falls within its
scope because none of this could refer to an individual but
rather an unnamed person or a vehicle), this could only refer to
the driver and therefore if the RK was not the driver then they
could not make such a request on the driver's behalf.
Just some details to be clarified before a NTO arrives.
#Post#: 21678--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 6, 2024, 7:10 am
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[member=311]zeezee[/member] the rejection is nonsense, if they
wanted to issue a bus lane PCN it would have been code 34 -
being in a bus lane, and it would have been issued under the
London Local Authorities Act 1996, not the Traffic Management
Act 2004. The council cannot mix and match in this way.
However it would be useful to see the council photos so please
give us the number plate.
The next step is to wait for the notice to owner.
#Post#: 21682--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked in restriced hrs bus lane, Gants Hill, Redbridge
DIR By: zeezee
Date: May 6, 2024, 8:28 am
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Thanks all for the quick replies.
1. I have now edited the above letter to show the PCN details.
1. Yes, I can confirm, that he was driving and the letter was
sent from his email addy with the reply (from the council) going
to his home address. On this occasion, I was with him on the
journey as a passenger.
2. He is the RK of the vehicle.
3. The photos were mine, but the council's photos are quite
similar. (if you want me to post the council photos for ease, I
can do so - not a problem).
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