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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ahsan
Date: April 13, 2024, 1:52 pm
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I have made the formal representation today, thanks for the
draft Hippocrates.
Ill share with you the outcome when I receive the decision.
Thanks.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 19, 2024, 5:20 pm
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I've requested the traffic order.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 20, 2024, 10:34 am
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Curiouser and curiouser...
HTML https://i.imgur.com/KMXUjfP.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/VsvRCGS.png
I've now requested the "other" traffic order, let's see what
turns up.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 20, 2024, 10:38 am
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What are they like!?
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ahsan
Date: May 21, 2024, 4:00 am
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[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] & [member=1]cp8759[/member] I
did formal representation on 21/04 since then I have not
received any further letter from Newham Council.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: guest17
Date: May 21, 2024, 6:15 am
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This looks like the original Notice:-
HTML https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-55296-279
Take your pick as to bus clearway or prescribed route.
Mike
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ahsan
Date: May 24, 2024, 12:51 pm
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Hi all,
I received letter today Newham have rejected the formal
representation.
Here is the letter:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IMrqnIsUilS8l0S1YEVZHptBafF8vwr-/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13r9i90cTnBE6QU_gFzGj_FnhY5J_-lUS/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/17aveeKGKZt4J5fAcUqlD68vtnlAKbwf2/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCKngc_tmPbLeWHhZmxUNo7dLvj5dp4/view?usp=sharing
Can you please suggest what should we do next?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: lexy
Date: May 25, 2024, 7:42 pm
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“No entry except buses”?
As far as I’m aware - and I’m willing to be corrected - that is
not a legal combination of signs that councils can use or
enforce. I believe the only “except” plate you can use with a no
entry sign is “except cycles”.
“Buses only” is fine. “No motor vehicles except buses” is also
fine. But not “no entry except buses”.
This raises two other technical points. Firstly, councils can’t
enforce “no entry” signs. They can enforce you making a
prohibited turn into a no entry road. They can enforce you
failing to proceed in the direction of an arrow shown on a blue
sign. But not a pure “no entry”.
Secondly, “no entry” just means you can’t physically pass the
sign. It doesn’t mean you can’t *be* past the sign. Near my
work, there’s a two-way road with a no entry sign at one end, to
stop people using it as a rat run. It’s perfectly legal to drive
down that road towards the back of the no entry sign, turn
around, and drive back up the road. Because you didn’t pass the
no entry sign. Just because you’re driving after a no entry sign
doesn’t mean you passed the no entry sign.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 27, 2024, 3:46 pm
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[member=281]lexy[/member] the allegation is 33E, not sure how a
no entry comes into it?
Anyway, the allegation is that the vehicle passed these signs:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/P3V8qkH9NpsReoxYA
[member=170]ahsan[/member] one issue is that the location is
wrong, the signs are wholly on Glen Road. Another issue is
whether the road is even a road for the purposes of section 142
of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1984, as the barrier suggests
the hospital retains control over that land as a landowner,
which is incompatible with the road being a road to which the
public has a right of access.
Then we have the various TMO issues including The Newham
(Prescribed Routes) (No. 5) Traffic Order 1998, which I have
requested a copy of.
However ultimately the council could wake up and point out that
the signs are section 36 signs that don't need a TMO at all
(though in 99% of bus gate cases the council relies on a TMO for
some reason or another), so while there is a fair chance the
council might mess things up, the outcome cannot be guaranteed.
You therefore need to decide whether you want to carry on. I'll
drop you a PM in case you'd like to be represented.
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 18, 2024, 6:18 pm
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[member=170]ahsan[/member] I assume you've given up but for
future reference here is The Newham (Prescribed Routes) (No. 5)
Traffic Order 1998
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1neAx5ZSFgUiEsvyIWvVzO-9Oxtkq7f_f/view.
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