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#Post#: 19866--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 17, 2024, 5:19 pm
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--- Quote from: tonys link ---
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> There must be lots of families and couples who share cars, or
just one car. Do they need to do this if they swap drivers
during a long journey, or when the husband/wife is using the
car?
>
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The rules could only apply if a car is being driven at more than
the "normal" limit, problem solved. Of course if both drivers
have a high-speed licence, then it doesn't matter. If a driver
gets pulled over doing 100 in a suitable car but they've not
done the high-speed test, they get dealt with as any speeding
driver is dealt with today.
--- Quote from: tonys link ---
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> Together with the requirement for variable speed limits on all
motorways, it looks like a lot of extra infrastructure and
bureaucracy to benefit a relatively few drivers who do over
50,000 miles per year on motorways at night.
>
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Variable speed limits seem to be coming everywhere anyway. Maybe
it is too complicated, the simple solution is to say drive as
fast as you like and the vast majority of people will settle for
80 - 85. Relatively few drivers in Germany actually do 100+, I
doubt it would be different here. Just because the maximum limit
is higher (or removed altogether) doesn't mean everyone is
compelled to driver any faster than they did before.
#Post#: 19873--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 17, 2024, 9:16 pm
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As one who frequently drives on the continent (or did until the
B word put paid to my work abroad), I didn't have a problem with
driving with what I considered a comfortable cruising speed of
85-90 mph. The standards of driving do vary between the Benelux
countries as indeed they do in France and Germany, where learner
drivers aren't allowed to drive on a public road until they've
had tuition on private roads. There's no 20 minute drive to see
if you can make a car go forwards (don't bother with reverse
these days), and 20 minutes how to use a satnav.
A friend moved to Stuttgart about 20 years ago and his daily
commute into town was done at 120 mph. In the UK you'd be lucky
to commute at 20 mph!!
Also the European police and authorities don't have the same
fetish about exceeding the speed limit as the UK does.
#Post#: 19883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: slapdash
Date: April 18, 2024, 4:05 am
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I don't think there is that much of a fetish about it. It is
enforced to a modest extent.
There are only a million odd nips produced a year and around 10%
of licences have points. That seems to suggest that people in
the main are reasonable obedient.
I generally see far more enforcement in other parts of Europe
than here.
#Post#: 19888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: mickR
Date: April 18, 2024, 4:52 am
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we are edging back to the old argument that "speed doesntkills"
idiots and poor driving kills. and as we know speed cameras
aren't very clever at detecting poor driving alone. and the
chances of more plod on motorways isn't likely, hopefully more
will contribute to operation snap to eradicate to$$ers from our
roads. then higher speeds on motorways will be achievable.
#Post#: 19890--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: slapdash
Date: April 18, 2024, 5:18 am
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Speed certainly tends to increase severity of injuries etc. It
also tends to increase frequency of incidents. Largely as a
result of less time to react to the original cause (usually
someone's poor judgement). It's the inappropriate use of speed
that is often an issue.
There has been research on lower speed limits increasing crash
rates, particularly on dual carriageways etc. The thought was
that where limits were low(er) drivers didn't properly take
account of conditions because of complacency. As conditions
changed with rain, or gradually increasing traffic for example
folk often just carried on regardless.
There is also evidence that increasing safety features
encourages certain amounts of risk taking. A belief that the
various driver aids will help maintain control and if they don't
it's going to be ok with all those airbags.
I doubt there will be an upwards change, but on modern duals and
motorways more variable limits based on loadings (both up and
down) seems reasonable.
#Post#: 19916--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: tonys
Date: April 18, 2024, 11:12 am
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> Variable speed limits seem to be coming everywhere anyway.
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You could well be correct. I think I've pretty much only seen
variable limits as part of the "smart motorway" thing which is a
huge amount of work. But no reason why variable limits couldn't
be implemented without all the other stuff.
#Post#: 19919--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: sparx
Date: April 18, 2024, 11:49 am
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I've no issue raising the limit but 100mph with drivers having
taken a test some 30-40-50 years prior is a bit concerning,
especially since some can't even use their indicators
properly... Perhaps this will be feasible when the majority of
cars on the road have some kind of active front protection and
lane assist, so as to reduce the risk of forward collisions and
lane deviation at speed.
Having a different rule for those with an "enhanced licence"
seems like a LOT of extra admin work for the ticket offices,
what with sending out routine s172's, and a pain in the arris
for those who want to drive faster.
#Post#: 19922--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 18, 2024, 12:10 pm
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Going back many years to the early 1980s, I remember a
conversation on Capital Radio when they had chat shows, Alan
Hargreaves talking to a Swedish road safety lady, she made the
point that to drive at a certain speed, say 50 mph would cost
you say 6 hours work. If you drove at 70 mph it would cost you 7
hours work. So the save half an hour's drive time, you'd have to
work an extra hour to pay for it.
But then we have the scenarion I mentioned earlier, that the
time saved may get you ahead of the delay at the next set of
traffic lights or the one who drives through the Dartford Tunnel
at 30 and delays everything for the rest of the day.
Having usually spent a day driving a bus in London traffic for a
10 hour shift at a top speed of 20mph if I'm lucky, it's a
pleasure to drive home late at night with an almost empty
motorway. Last weekend's bus was Canning Town to Tower Gateway,
4 miles each way
according to google maps. A round trip took five hours fifty
minutes. Blackwall tunnel South closed, Limehouse Link tunnel
partially closed, Rotherhithe Tunnel traffic blocking back 2
miles, then demonstrators blocked Tower Bridge for most of the
day. One bus took 2 and a half hours to get round the block at
Tower Gateway!
#Post#: 19923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: April 18, 2024, 12:29 pm
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The amount of skill necessary to safely drive at 100mph on a
quiet motorway is perhaps less than some might assume.
The amount of skill demonstrated by many drivers, unfortunately
is less still.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the biggest danger from driving at high
speed on a quiet motorway is that no matter how good your
reactions and car control, you have no control over the
f**ktards that pull out in front of you without looking. The
solution to make 100mph variable motorway speed limits workable
is not an advanced test for those that will be doing 100, but
regular re-testing for all drivers, and bad driving penalised
(as opposed to the current fetish for blaming speed for
everything and persecuting speeders because speed is much easier
to measure/prove).
As the saying goes, when the only tool you have is a hammer,
everything starts to look like a nail.
#Post#: 19931--------------------------------------------------
Re: Driving law proposals could see motorway speed limits raised
to 100mph to 'reduce congestion'
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 18, 2024, 3:45 pm
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To be honest I don't think 100 mph needs an advance driving
test, though if you're going to let people drive at 130+ then it
might be a good idea.
I do think we need a lot more enforcement of all the things
other than excess speed that causes all the problems, and that
requires traffic cops, a whole load of them.
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