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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 29, 2024, 2:26 am
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It's possible, but this is about probabilities and we're looking
at two:
Did the cameras capture the December trip? If so, why wasn't a
PCN issued e.g. the process of comparison of VRM and TfL
database showed no violation etc?
Could this same misread as regards camera data and database be
responsible for the March PCN?
In any event, IMO the Dec. events would allow them the defence
of legitimate expectation. OK, if this defence is used then the
burden falls on the keeper, but it wouldn't be difficult to
prove the December flight, that they only have one car and to
set out their route into the zone etc.
#Post#: 20951--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: JoCo
Date: April 29, 2024, 2:50 am
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I would concur with cp. When I had a registered noncompliant
car, I was billed less than 50% of the time.
Whether this was due to unreliability of cameras or the
reliability of axel grinders I don't know.
I would posit that suggesting that not getting a PCN is
equivalent to legitimate expectation, would be treated with with
uninterest at appeal
#Post#: 20960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 29, 2024, 3:45 am
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...but the OP is at reps stage with a different part of the
process and often it's how the authority deal with reps that's
as important in the mix as the underlying fundamentals.
#Post#: 20975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 29, 2024, 6:11 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> ...but the OP is at reps stage with a different part of the
process and often it's how the authority deal with reps that's
as important in the mix as the underlying fundamentals.
>
--- End Quote ---
There are two live March PCNs. One representation has been
rejected and a Notice of Rejection issued dated the 6th April
2024. Representations can longer be submitted against this PCN.
So this NoR needs to be paid, if the discount is still available
on TFL's payment portal, or an appeal to the Adjudicator needs
to be recorded. If the discount option is no longer available
then it's a no brainer decision to appeal regardless of merit.
"I have never driven to London City but in December’23 I drove
to T3 Heathrow to drop off my kids and returned a week later to
collect them."
The above from the OP's initial post suggests that there were
two opportunities where ULEZ PCNs should have been issued in
December 2023 and apparently weren't. So that adds some credence
to HCA's legitimate expectation argument.
#Post#: 20978--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: roythebus
Date: April 29, 2024, 6:54 am
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the Euro5 and Euro6 things can be confusing especially when it
comes to goods vehicles, vans and buses. The LEZ for those has
been in force for several years now. The specifications for the
car and light van Euro standards are different from those
applied to cars and light vans. I'm not sure which standard
applies to this N1 van!
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