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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Susaq
Date: April 20, 2024, 8:36 am
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DVLA website shows the emissions as attached.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 20, 2024, 9:24 am
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No, you need the detailed figures from Nissan.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 22, 2024, 6:46 am
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Please post up a picture of the emissions section of the V5c of
the registration doc.
Is your Navara fitted with an AdBlue system?
And is the exact model a Nissan NP300 Navara Tekna DCI Auto.
A diesel car registered March 2016 should be Euro 6.
However this seems to be a goods vehicle “Category N1“: Vehicles
used for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not
exceeding 3.5 tonnes. For these the Euro 6 limit came in a year
later, September 2016, than for "Category M1" passenger cars.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Susaq
Date: April 22, 2024, 7:56 am
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Hi
No, it doesn’t have AdBlue, my husband checked and that was 6
months later than this pickup.
Here’s the details from the V5. I can’t find what emission
amounts are - I just went around in circles so finding that
could be made easier.
Thank you
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 27, 2024, 9:01 am
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Here's the V5C the right way round:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/yh24Kqz.jpeg
The CO level looks OK but I don't understand the particulates
value, as even the euro 1 standard from 1993 had a maximum level
of 0.25 according to
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Emission_standards_for_light_commercial_vehicles<br
/>(scroll down to the table for Category N1 Class III & N2), my
suspicion is that the values on the V5C are in g/KwH rather than
g/Km.
Looking at the table at
HTML https://content.tfl.gov.uk/lez-scheme-order.pdf
on page 31 all
the values are in g/KwH, so I think you'd have to contact Nissan
for some definitive figures.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: April 27, 2024, 10:02 am
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The balance of probability is that this Navara is Euro 5b. The
NOx is too high for Euro 6b at 0.219g/km and needs to be 0.125.
However I too don't understand the PM numbers.
Assuming the rules are the same as a category M1 car then it's
the NOx and PM (Particulate Matter) numbers that matter and gets
the vehicle past the finishing post. Not just total Euro E6
compliance.
Seems that in 2016 Nissan introduced a revised Navara with
AdBlue and other engine modifications to make it Euro 6b. So
this Navara must be one of the last of the original spec.
Registered in March 2016 and wouldn't have been legal to
register in September 2016.
But the OP should ask Nissan for definitive emissions status and
numbers.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: April 27, 2024, 10:57 am
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OP, the NOR you've posted allowed payment of £90 - effectively
the discount - until 14 days beginning the date of the letter, 8
April. This expired on 21st so you're in for the full penalty or
worse if you don't register an appeal in time.
IMO, the thread has missed a key aspect of your account which
has not been examined.
in December’23 I drove to T3 Heathrow to drop off my kids and
returned a week later to collect them.
My husband and I used Heathrow T5 to travel in March ‘24. We
used the Meet and Greet parking facility and returned a week
later.
A few days after we arrived home I received a PCN for the day we
got to the airport. It was an immediate £90 fine. A week later I
got a second one for the day we got home
Why didn’t I get any penalty notices in December? Same vehicle,
same trip.
Exactly. Unless the limits changed between Dec. and March or you
did not enter the ULEZ area (route to T3 being different from
T5) but as 'The ULEZ was expanded across all London boroughs on
29 August 2023.', that's not likely to be the case, then IMO you
had a legitimate expectation that your vehicle was compliant and
not as you posted 'It’s a Nissan Navara so I’d thought it
wouldn’t be compliant.'.
- unless your registered keeper address has changed since Dec.
'23 and there are two more PCNs in circulation!
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Susaq
Date: April 27, 2024, 12:36 pm
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This has been my query from day 1. Same driver, vehicle and
journey through LHR after the expansion date.
I never received any notification for either of those journeys
in December 2023 but I daren’t ask in case I receive another 2
penalties!
Once I knew what ULEZ was I had assumed the pickup wasn’t
compliant but I know zero about cars and hadn’t realised a
diesel engine in such a large vehicle could ever be deemed low
emission.
Thank you everyone for your advice.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2024, 5:51 pm
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[member=428]H C Andersen[/member] it is entirely possible that
the cameras did not pick up the car in December 2023 (no ANPR
camera is 100% effective), or maybe there were problems with the
camera, either intrinsic to the camera or caused by vandals.
[member=1461]Susaq[/member] you need to either get the emissions
data from Nissan and appeal, or pay the penalty. If you do
nothing the penalty will increase by 50% to £270.
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Re: Setting us up to fail - ULEZ fees at Heathrow
DIR By: Susaq
Date: April 29, 2024, 12:49 am
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Thank you.
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