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       #Post#: 19114--------------------------------------------------
       Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: jmann
       Date: April 5, 2024, 3:22 pm
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       As the subject says - allegedly parked on a Mon-Fri restricted
       road on a bank holiday Monday.
       Pictures plus PCN attached.
       Its a company car so only Registration will be the Ltd company.
       does that help?
       I wonder what is there reason to no consider bank holiday Monday
       as a non weekend day. clearly the zig zag lines are for
       protection of school people plus help with getting
       dropped\picked off so should a bank holiday not be treated like
       any other weekend day?
       any ground for appeal?
       Thanks
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       #Post#: 19125--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: April 5, 2024, 5:52 pm
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       As it is a leased car, it can get complicated if you stand your
       ground and decide to fight the matter through to adjudication.
       This is because the second stage of the process is the service
       of a Notice to Owner to the lease company, who are the
       registered owner on the V5C Registration Certificate for the
       car. We see many cases where the lessee wants to fight the
       matter, but the lease company just pay-up and off-charge the
       penalty, and add on an "admin fee". So you need to check the
       lease conditions with the lease company and tell us what they
       are and also that you have received a PCN and wish to fight it,
       and ask them not to pay the NtO when it arrives. .
       As for the allegation, this looks to be eminently appealable
       because they have failed in their duty to sign the restriction
       properly.
       Your PCN has been served for parking on the yellow line during
       its restricted hours and has nothing to do with the school
       zig-zags which indicate a " No Stopping" restriction. But there
       is no sign to indicate the restrictions for the yellow linem
       because the location is within the Croydon North Zone CPZ. Here
       is one of the CPZ signs as you come south on Mitcham Road
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tp9ChL6a2VEFAnHu7
       The sign is at one of the entrances to the zone and defines the
       days and hours of the single-yellow line restriction inside the
       zone. You will see that the restriction is Mon-Sat 9.00am to
       5.00pm.  However, where there are two restrictions on a street,
       as is the case here on Lennard Road, the guidance regarding
       signs is that there should be a sign for the yellow line in
       addition to the sign for the zig-zags. Here there isn't so you
       can submit representations on that basis. I think there is
       another case similar to yours currently running on the forum, so
       have a look round.
       #Post#: 19159--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: April 6, 2024, 11:03 am
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       Is it a leased car? Or is the company the registered keeper?
       In any event if you want to challenge this, you need to inform
       the registered keeper and get them to cooperate, which won't
       generally be an issue as long as you agree to indemnify them
       should the appeal ultimately be successful.
       The council photos do not prove any contravention:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/G9AXYnr.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/6TocOSf.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/Qx2iNou.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/Tr96RJ1.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/Lkp1r5w.jpeg
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/IXvOkoE.jpeg
       The PCN is for the waiting restriction conveyed by the single
       yellow line, it has nothing to do with the zig-zags. You need to
       have a look at
  HTML https://www.croydon.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/parking-restrictions/list-controlled-parking-zones<br
       />and work out which zone you were in, and exactly where you
       entered the zone, that really is the first step for this sort of
       PCN.
       #Post#: 19275--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: jmann
       Date: April 8, 2024, 5:15 am
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       Thank you for all info so far.
       Company is the registered keeper (only Ltd company name on the
       V5)
       It is not a lease\hire, it is purchased outright by the company.
       #Post#: 19321--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: April 8, 2024, 12:38 pm
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       --- Quote from: jmann link ---
       >
       > It is not a lease\hire, it is purchased outright by the
       company.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       So what's your connection to the company, do you own it? are you
       a director? do you just work for them as an employee?
       Also do you recall what route you took to get there?
       #Post#: 19379--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: Pastmybest
       Date: April 9, 2024, 6:46 am
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       One of the stronger points IMO would be the reason this case was
       allowed
       2190152145
       cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
       Reasons
       Mrs Ahmad has attended in person.
       This PCN was issued for the alleged contravention of being
       parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours. The
       alleged contravention occurred in Curzon Crescent at 6.09pm on
       11 January 2019.
       I have looked at the CEO's images. There is an image of the back
       of Mrs Ahmad's car which shows that it was parked on school
       entrance markings. It is not in dispute that there is a sign
       next to the markings which says no stopping on entrance markings
       Mondays to Fridays between 8.15am to 9.15am and 2.30pm to
       4.30pm. There is a single yellow line running through the
       entrance markings. There is no signage next to the single yellow
       line to alert a motorist to a separate no stopping and no
       waiting restriction.
       The Council says that Curzon Crescent is part of a Controlled
       Parking Zone for which the controlled hours of parking are
       8.30am to 6.30pm Mondays to Fridays. Mrs Ahmad says that she
       parked in the belief that the no stopping restrictions were the
       signed restrictions next to the school entrance markings.
       I am allowing this appeal because the signage and markings are
       confusing to the motorist. A motorist who sees a no stopping
       sign next to school entrance markings will reasonably think that
       the no stopping restriction applies during the controlled hours
       shown on the sign unless there is an additional sign with a no
       waiting restriction for a single yellow line. A motorist is
       unlikely to realise that the yellow line is not part of the
       school entrance restrictions. There is normally no requirement
       for the signage of yellow line restrictions in an individual
       street which is part of a CPZ but this situation is different
       because the yellow line is likely to be seen as part of the
       school entrance markings.
       #Post#: 19381--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: jmann
       Date: April 9, 2024, 8:50 am
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       I am the sole company director.
       Log book does not have my personal name.
       Route I took is London Road, then turned left into Oakfield
       road, then left onto Lennard Road, where I got the ticket.
       #Post#: 19543--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: April 12, 2024, 3:24 am
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       [member=1459]jmann[/member] this is the map of the CPZ:
  HTML https://www.croydon.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-02/north-zone-%28oct-2021.pdf
       So the question is how did you enter the zone, did you come from
       the North along London Road? If so, you would have entered the
       zone here:
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Exoy2BZpo4XLZDKx7
       (there is
       also a sign on the offside).
       Are you able to confirm this is where you entered the zone? If
       so, are you able to check if the sign is still visible / in
       place?
       #Post#: 19546--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: April 12, 2024, 4:17 am
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       Surely the strongest point is the case cited by PMB (2190152145)
       ? The council have completely ignored guidance on signing where
       a single yellow line coincides with school zig-zags.
       #Post#: 19709--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Parking on Restricted Mon- Fri spot on Bank Holiday Monday
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: April 14, 2024, 5:47 pm
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > Surely the strongest point is the case cited by PMB
       (2190152145) ? The council have completely ignored guidance on
       signing where a single yellow line coincides with school
       zig-zags.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think both points should be pursued vigorously. It's Croydon
       we're talking about and they're unlikely to put up much of a
       fight.
       To pursue the entrance zone sign argument, we need
       [member=1459]jmann[/member] to answer my questions above.
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