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#Post#: 19034--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: slapdash
Date: April 4, 2024, 1:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Donostio link ---
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> Yes, it was the 20mph course I did. I thought it was one
chance at a course of any type.
>
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I am not stating any certainties.
Historically it was one of each. The qualification was speed and
has one of the same type been done.
Sometime (I think during covid) the only course for any offence
that got offered became the NSAC course after they had figured
online delivery.
There are some limited reports of people being offered NSAC
course for a current offence where they have a completed 20mph
or motorway course.
All you can do is wait and see.
6pts isn't the end of the world for insurance, but can be a
problem for some corporate.
#Post#: 19065--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: 666
Date: April 5, 2024, 1:13 am
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--- Quote from: Donostio link ---
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> [quote author=666 link=topic=1594.msg19028#msg19028
date=1712250923]
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>
>
> Your 30-year clean licence is not mitigation. In any event,
how would you prove it?
>
> For at least some (possibly most) of those 30 years you must
have managed OK without satnav, so you should be able to do so
again.
>
> If you were to ignore the advice and go to court, it would
cost a lot more than £200.
>
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1) How do I prove what? That I have a clean licence? I don't
foresee that being hard to do at all, do you? But as you have
suggested it's probably not germane anyway.
2) Yes I have driven without Sat Nav in the past. What is your
point? I will still rely on Sat Nav for navigation. If anything
I will turn off the speed limit advice entirely so I 100% use
signage and my highway code knowledge. Have you somehow got the
impression that I have argued that I must rely on a Sat Nav for
the speed limit? That is curious.
3) Why are you suggesting that I would ignore the advice of
those with experience and knowledge on this site? In my last
post I have literally summarised back the that advice that I
have got and will be following. I came here to check if there
was any value / merit in either questioning the A20 charge or
asking for leniency. And I got the answer I needed - even if
it's not the answer one might have hoped for.
[/quote]
1. It's easy to prove that you currently have a clean licence.
But points drop off after four years: how would you prove it had
been clean for the previous 26??
2. It was you who said "I've have been relying to much on sav
navs"
3. You asked "So I'm hearing that there's no point in pleading
for leniency?". I'm not suggesting anything, just pointing out
consequences of doing so.
#Post#: 19068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: April 5, 2024, 3:46 am
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Just to emphasise, a fixed penalty is leniency. The police are
perfectly entitled to see you prosecuted in court where the
prosecution costs alone will be almost £100, and that's before
you get to the actual fine and "Victim Surcharge".
#Post#: 19131--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: Ziggyplayedguitar2
Date: April 6, 2024, 1:20 am
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Donostio
I am surprised there are not more people from the Sidcup Area
seeking advice from pages like this and Pepipoo.
You get good free advice from ex Lawyers and Learned people on
here.....please raise awareness of the 2 sites to friends and
family who may also be suffering.
its going to be a real interesting time with the Court Cases
about to start!!!
#Post#: 19229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: April 7, 2024, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: Donostio link ---
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> I'm not sure why you think I have intimated that I believe the
court would for some reason only considered one offence.
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> What I have asked is would a court consider them together in
the same hearing
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As you would get a fixed penalty there would be no need to be in
court at all, that’s why ‘combined in court’ only seemed to have
one logical meaning.
#Post#: 19442--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: BertB
Date: April 10, 2024, 7:28 am
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AFAIAA/IIRC, if a 20mph SAC has been completed you would be
ineligible for a NSAC due to them being the same type of course.
For some reason, when they existed a smart motorway course was
considered different and offered alongside existing SACs.
Similar for Red Light offences and Speeding offences.
But regardless of it's title, a speed awareness course is a
speed awareness course and only one can be taken in the
qualifying time period.
#Post#: 19645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: guest968
Date: April 13, 2024, 7:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Ziggyplayedguitar2 link ---
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> You get good free advice from ex Lawyers and Learned people on
here.....please raise awareness of the 2 sites to friends and
family who may also be suffering.
>
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Suffering what?
--- Quote from: Ziggyplayedguitar2 link ---
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> its going to be a real interesting time with the Court Cases
about to start!!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Interesting how?
#Post#: 19795--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: Donostio
Date: April 16, 2024, 12:40 pm
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BBC News - Driver avoids six-month ban over 'inadequate' sign
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68818174
#Post#: 19801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: April 16, 2024, 3:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Donostio link ---
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> BBC News - Driver avoids six-month ban over 'inadequate' sign
>
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68818174
>
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That report is far more inadequate that the signage.
Mr Foster pleaded guilty to all four charges. He had legal
representation and would not have done that had he been arguing
that the signage was inadequate. Missing from the report is the
small detail that he actually left the court not only with a 28
day ban but also with ten penalty points. This indicates that
the court imposed a total of ten points for three of the
offences and a 28 day ban for the fourth. Quite why the
Magistrates went against their guidance (which suggests they
should have imposed points for all four offences thus making him
liable to a “totting up” ban) is unknown, but was not (or at
least should not have been) because of inadequate signage.
There was no evidence to support that principally because the
signage is clear and compliant. I know because I drive that
stretch quite often. Not only is the required signage quite
clear but there are also notices warning drivers of the new
limit which have been in place since the limit was imposed last
autumn.
#Post#: 19829--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh my God. I've just got another! speed "A20
Eastbound, West of Sandy Lane to East of Cookham Road"
DIR By: Donostio
Date: April 17, 2024, 7:32 am
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The most prolific speed camera in the UK last year was on the
A40, catching 49,000 people over a year. This one camera on the
A20 in Sidcup caught 62,000 in 5 weeks.
That's six million and two-hundred thousand pounds (if only £100
/ head)
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