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TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: SaschaVW
Date: April 4, 2024, 5:42 am
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This post was originally posted on Pepipoo (thank you Ivan for
re-directing me here!)
HTML http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=153824
Hi,
I’ve just had a fine for parking on a red route - I’ve been
parking there for months (it’s opposite my flat) and never
realised it was a red route.
My car is the red mini and when driving into the bay I’ve never
noticed the red lines. I’ve been cautious about the residents
parking zone so know I can’t park in other bays past this point.
As you will see from the photos, there is a sign (right in front
of my car!) but I’ve just never spotted it - I know this is not
a defence and I'm probably banged to rights.
Can I challenge based on the markings or is the fact the sign is
there sufficient?
Thanks!!
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 4, 2024, 5:53 am
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Wait for the wizard to advise.
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 4, 2024, 5:12 pm
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[member=1455]SaschaVW[/member] you can challenged based on a lot
more than that, but start by showing us the PCN please. See the
guidance here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>on how to post images properly.
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: SaschaVW
Date: April 5, 2024, 4:00 am
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Hi - great news - thank you so much. Please see image here of
PCN (I hope I've done it correctly!)
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MwoKwkm.jpeg
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 5, 2024, 5:03 pm
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TFL photos:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/aggMXxh.gif
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zw26zh4.gif
HTML https://i.imgur.com/DEIQX13.gif
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MWC9KFa.jpeg
I have ordered the GLA sides roads designation order and the
traffic order, in the meantime the arguments that can be
deployed at the tribunal (but should be kept in reserve for now)
are:
1) PCSO uniform not compliant,
2) The copy of the PCN that they produce at the tribunal is not
a true copy of the original, as per Vanessa Price v Nottingham
City Council (NG00044-2201, 7 March 2022)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YAg82YBKfVyHTSQmdOI229Yt5QccDKFt/view<br
/>and Tahir Hamid v London Borough of Waltham Forest
(2220519865,
9 August 2022)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WdoRilUvG0swh40tPX2vH5r0AJF-M3Um/view
3) The notice of rejection is ambiguous as per:
Nayeem Haque v Transport for London (2220767288, 15 November
2022)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KavlK0nNvWS2eI9ICkqjBQRg9-L-2mHc/view
Mike Welch v Transport for London (2230428700, 18 November 2023)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ijJW4O3zHz-LOkVRi4QHmdf983n1yyJ8/view
Lubavitch Synagogue v Transport for London (2230535074, 5
February 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xokOkjdoJf0e5CBjBP7smnErCrMxps0m/view
Commercial Plant Services Ltd v Transport for London
(2240018512, 12 February 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qwj3XYfPvFZBh-ag3HYuQEUHtFXwxvHf/view
Mathew Mathai v Transport for London (2240062219, 15 March 2024)
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QoDnU5djhqtHMDDHbPiHIhVOC7KmHxIZ/view
For now, can you please confirm whether you're the registered
keeper and have the V5C? If so, is the address on the V5C up to
date?
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: SaschaVW
Date: April 8, 2024, 3:36 am
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Thanks so much for your help with this - it's so very
appreciated.
Yes I am the registered owner and the V5 has the correct address
on.
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 8, 2024, 12:14 pm
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If we don't get the traffic order & designation order before 30
April, start by making an informal representation on the TFL
website basically saying that the signage must be inadequate as
you never spotted it. Write a draft and put it on here for
review before sending it.
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: SaschaVW
Date: April 16, 2024, 7:17 am
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Hi,
Sorry this is late, been hectic with work, realised need to get
appeal in today! If someone can check it then fab, totally
understand if not and will submit as per the below knowing that
we can add to the challenge later on.
Proposed challenge:
I am writing to appeal against the PCN I received on 3rd April
for parking on a red route.
The reasons for my appeal are:
1. I had no awareness this was a red route, if I had know I
would not have parked there. The marking on the road are not
clear, and as a car was parked in front the red lines in front
of that car were not visible to me when driving into the space.
Whilst I acknowledge there was a sign next to the car, it is
perpendicular to it and not in front, so therefore I did not see
it when driving into the space. As I had no awareness the side
road was a red route, I had no cause to look for the sign. I was
aware of the residents parking bays and thought this was a bay
not covered by these restrictions, I had no reason to look for
further parking restrictions. I therefore consider that the
signage was inadequate.
2. My flat is the the block of flats on the other side of Lower
Richmond Road, there is unrestricted parking on Manor Road and
surrounding roads, so I absolutely not have parked on Marksberry
Avenue if I had known it was a red route.
3. The only reason I had parked on Marksberry Avenue is due to
the extensive roadworks outside my flat, undertaken by TFL,
these works have been delayed and caused much delay and traffic
pollutions to me and my fellow neighbours. I therefore parked on
Marksberry avenue purely to try and avoid the excessive traffic
on Lower Richmond Road caused by these road works and ongoing
delays.
Kind regards
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 21, 2024, 8:58 am
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[member=1455]SaschaVW[/member] the deadline is 30 April, not
sure why you thought it was the 16th?
It's fine if you've sent that already, but at the notice to
owner stage please do not make representations without checking
with us first, it's best not to rush things.
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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
DIR By: SaschaVW
Date: April 22, 2024, 2:03 am
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Ah sorry - I think I got confused from when the 14 days was up
to pay the £80 - not the deadline for the appeal.
Will next time wait for your advice - thanks so much it's so
very appreciated.
I will let you know when I hear back.
Many thanks
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