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Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: March 26, 2024, 4:55 am
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Got a pcn from the lovely folks at newham for code 62 parked
with one or more wheels on footpath. Location is warton road, as
soon as you turn in from high st after the traffic light/steps
into tesco.
PCN: PN38189702
Reg: AF06YVS
Date: 24/03/2024
I have included the pcn and ceo’s photo in the dropbox link.
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/os8k2rq5jdnx3wevicl3w/h?rlkey=ko8inzpyruiyzsa54d78knkie&dl=0
Link to gsv:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rzwkvWwaV7zZy1Pc8?g_st=ic
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 26, 2024, 7:06 am
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An obvious trap for the motorist that must be a nice little
earner for Newham. However you do need to be much more alert if
you're going to park in London. The double-yellow lines and the
absence of a bay sign are big warnings, or should be. In any big
city, but especially London, with its PCN penalties double the
rest of the UK, if it looks to good to be true, then it IS to
good to be true.
I'm not sure what to suggest, because I can't see any obvious
appeal argument, so wait until more London-knowledgeable folk
have contributed. However don't miss any deadlines on the PCN !
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 26, 2024, 11:19 am
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What a site!
A lowered footway to facilitate movement of refuse bins from the
areas at the rear of the footway, areas whose uses now seem
redundant. OP, you've posted the current GSV so I suggest you
scroll back through the years to see how this has developed.
It's interesting but doesn't give you a defence, in fact the CEO
could have issued the PCN for parking where waiting restrictions
apply i.e. the 24/7 DYL.
In short, you cannot park either on the road or the footway at
this location.
If you thought it was an oasis of free parking in the midst of a
sea of waiting restrictions then you should revisit the Highway
Code Traffic Signs booklet. In any event, other than asking them
to exercise discretion I don't see what making reps would
achieve other than delay having to pay.
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 26, 2024, 11:34 am
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And here is a view from 2017 showing all the bins out for
collection
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/byhDapp8RUbR27D17
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: March 26, 2024, 6:44 pm
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Ive kinda been using as a unofficial loading bay when im out
doing deliveries around there. Guess i got lucky all them years.
Guess ill stick to the discount.
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 31, 2024, 3:41 pm
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[member=1306]WhoLetTheScamsOut[/member] chapter 3 of the traffic
signs manual
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf<br
/>says at paragraph 13.6.3 that:
[indent]
13.6.3.  As an alternative to the white road
marking, contrasting bays may be used (see Appendix B for
Northern Ireland). The area available for parking is indicated
by either block paving or coloured road surface, varied in
pattern or colour. The bays must stand out from the surrounding
parts of the road and any adjoining bays, so that drivers are
clear about where to park and which restrictions, if any, apply.
[/indent]
It seems to me that this area looks misleadingly like an area
where vehicles are permitted to park for the purpose of loading
and unloading, which is indeed permitted on double yellow lines.
What sort of deliveries were you doing?
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: April 1, 2024, 8:18 am
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It was a food delivery on deliveroo. I was dropping off to 180
stratford high st which is the tall building on the left corner
of the mainroad from Warton Road. The only proof I can get is
the date and time (start/finish) of that delivery but not the
actual info for the delivery itself
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 1, 2024, 8:34 am
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--- Quote from: WhoLetTheScamsOut link ---
>
> It was a food delivery on deliveroo. I was dropping off to 180
stratford high st which is the tall building on the left corner
of the mainroad from Warton Road. The only proof I can get is
the date and time (start/finish) of that delivery but not the
actual info for the delivery itself
>
--- End Quote ---
That's fine can you post a screenshot of that? As long as we can
establish you were working for deliveroo at the time that should
suffice, the exact address of the delivery is unlikely to be
something the council could take issue with.
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: April 1, 2024, 9:09 am
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The delivery named “Gourmet Sushi” is the delivery in question.
As you can see completed time of 14:00 with the date at top “Sun
24 March” and second image is the start time and end time of the
delivery.
HTML https://ibb.co/n8WJrpN
HTML https://ibb.co/0QV2jHK
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Re: Warton road code 62 newham council
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 1, 2024, 11:00 am
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Draft reps:
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Dear London Borough of Newham,
I challenge liability for PCN PN38189702 on the ground that the
alleged contravention did not occur. My vehicle was parked in
what is quite clearly a loading bay, as explained in paragraph
13.6.3 of chapter 3 of the Traffic Signs Manual:
"13.6.3.  As an alternative to the white road
marking, contrasting bays may be used (see Appendix B for
Northern Ireland). The area available for parking is indicated
by either block paving or coloured road surface, varied in
pattern or colour. The bays must stand out from the surrounding
parts of the road and any adjoining bays, so that drivers are
clear about where to park and which restrictions, if any,
apply."
The variation in the road surface clearly conveys that there is
a bay at this location, although the double yellow lines
indicate it may be used for loading and unloading only.
At the material time I was engaged in commercial unloading for
Deliveroo, I refer you to the "Gourmet Sushi" delivery shwon in
the attached screenshot.
It follows that the alleged contravention did not occur and the
PCN must be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
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Make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
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