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#Post#: 18148--------------------------------------------------
Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a restricted
street during
DIR By: Felics
Date: March 23, 2024, 7:55 am
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Hi all ,
See attached parking contravention.
I am fault here as I only stopped for a few minutes to drop off
an item.
I am trying to find some impropriety on the ticket but cannot
seem to spot anything. Aside from "parking in a restricted
street" as opposed to parking on double yellows.
Any ideas from anyone?
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#Post#: 18151--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newbury Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 23, 2024, 9:12 am
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Both sides of the PCN pl.
Single or double yellows both give rise to the same
contravention because when in effect they're the same
restriction i.e. no waiting. DYLs just happen to be 24/7.
#Post#: 18155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newbury Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 23, 2024, 10:30 am
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Newbury Council ? I went to school in Newbury and it's quite a
way from London !
--- Quote ---
> I only stopped for a few minutes to drop off an item.
--- End Quote ---
Please tell us what you droppped off, (weight & bulk too)
#Post#: 18167--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newbury Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours
DIR By: Felics
Date: March 23, 2024, 4:06 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Both sides of the PCN pl.
>
> Single or double yellows both give rise to the same
contravention because when in effect they're the same
restriction i.e. no waiting. DYLs just happen to be 24/7.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry added the other side of the PCN
#Post#: 18168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newbury Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours
DIR By: Felics
Date: March 23, 2024, 4:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Newbury Council ? I went to school in Newbury and it's quite
a way from London !
>
> [quote]I only stopped for a few minutes to drop off an item.
--- End Quote ---
Please tell us what you droppped off, (weight & bulk too)
[/quote]
Oops - "Newham" - I have updated the subject.
I was dropping off a kids table to someone who had purchased it
on a marketplace. Its about a metre or so tall/wide and
10kgs-15kgs.
#Post#: 18171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 23, 2024, 6:28 pm
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With something like that, (heavy and bulky), you have good
grounds to claim the loading exemption. Needless to say, you
will need to enclose photos of the item and state it's weight as
part of your representations. This assumes you didn't stop for a
cup of tea and a chat after delivering. The loading activity
must take "as long as necessary".
#Post#: 18187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during
DIR By: Felics
Date: March 24, 2024, 10:15 am
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Great thanks
I have drafted the below - does it sufficiently cover the main
points?
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RE: PCN XX
I wish to contest the above Penalty Charge Notice based on the
grounds that I was unloading continuously during the entire time
that I had been parked.
I had recently sold an item (a heavy and bulky children's desk)
and was required to drop this off to the buyer.
I arrived at the location and, due to the lack of parking, had
to set my vehicle at end of road approximately 30 doors away
from the buyers location.
The CEO observed the vehicle from 19:50-19:52 which is an
insufficient timeframe to unload the goods and return to my
vehicle.
I am requesting that the PCN be cancelled as unloading/loading
is a statutory exemption under the Parking Contraventions
(England) General Regulations. Loading and unloading is
permitted on single and double yellow lines for a maximum of 40
minutes. Loading or unloading is generally defined as being the
movement of goods to or from the vehicle, the checking of said
goods and the completion of any necessary paperwork.
As evidence, I attach the details of the sale including photos
of the item in question. (**This will be an ebay invoice showing
the sale and some pictures of the item**).
Regards
#Post#: 18206--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 24, 2024, 3:01 pm
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That looks OK.
This is the first stage called an informal challenge that most
London councils refuse and send a Fob-Off letter. They do this
because they know from experience, (since 1991 !!!), that the
vast majority of people then just cough-up, so they game the
system to maximise the cash flow. So don't be put off by a
refusal at this stage. The next stage is they issue a Notice to
Owner to the name and address on the V5 for the car. Is this you
? Where lease or hire cars are involved it can get messy, so let
us know please.
#Post#: 18208--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during
DIR By: Neil B
Date: March 24, 2024, 3:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Felics link ---
>
> Great thanks
>
> I have drafted the below - does it sufficiently cover the main
points?
>
>
> ---
>
>
> RE: PCN XX
>
> I wish to contest the above Penalty Charge Notice based on the
grounds that I was unloading continuously during the entire time
that I had been parked.
>
> I had recently sold an item (a heavy and bulky children's
desk) and was required to drop this off to the buyer.
>
> I arrived at the location and, due to the lack of parking, had
to set my vehicle at end of road approximately 30 doors away
from the buyers location.
>
> The CEO observed the vehicle from 19:50-19:52 which is an
insufficient timeframe to unload the goods and return to my
vehicle.
>
> I am requesting that the PCN be cancelled as unloading/loading
is a statutory exemption under the Parking Contraventions
(England) General Regulations. Loading and unloading is
permitted on single and double yellow lines for a maximum of 40
minutes. Loading or unloading is generally defined as being the
movement of goods to or from the vehicle, the checking of said
goods and the completion of any necessary paperwork.
>
> As evidence, I attach the details of the sale including photos
of the item in question. (**This will be an ebay invoice showing
the sale and some pictures of the item**).
>
> Regards
>
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It's unnecessarily long.
What is the reference to '40 minutes'? Did you take that long
and have you checked the traffic order to confirm that? (no you
didn't)
Leave it out because it just invites the kind of rejection
Incandescent referred to.
Reference to the observation time being inadequate = good
Also the receipt, etc. is good.
#Post#: 18258--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham Council: Milton Avenue E6 1BN - Parked in a
restricted street during
DIR By: Felics
Date: March 25, 2024, 12:45 pm
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Many thanks
I have appealed informally today.
Lets see what it brings.
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