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#Post#: 16804--------------------------------------------------
Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: privates
Date: March 4, 2024, 7:24 pm
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Any grounds of appeal for the following PCN?
Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
HTML https://ibb.co/6gKCgxz
HTML https://ibb.co/k2k6b66
HTML https://ibb.co/0Y8RS73
Thanks
#Post#: 16806--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 4, 2024, 7:34 pm
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Need to see the sign, so post up a GSV link to the location,
please.
#Post#: 16808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: privates
Date: March 4, 2024, 7:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Need to see the sign, so post up a GSV link to the location,
please.
>
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I really can't find it.. I've looked for a FAIRVIEW ROAD but it
comes to a back road and I've checked on the main road behind
Fairview Road and it doesn't seem to be there
#Post#: 16812--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 5, 2024, 3:06 am
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These show Fairview Road SW16:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/gNcmyu2qNbf9ULX46
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/E5jMFiuqci8FN6vB6
Does the driver have any recollection of whereabouts at the time
of the alleged contravention?
The photos (are there any better ones on TfL's website?) appear
to show a different location.
I suspect it may be somewhere on the A23, or it is possible the
camera has been moved from a location in Fairview Road and its
ident not changed?
Anyway, subject to confirmation from the experts here, I'd be
inclined to challenge along the lines of
As can be seen from your photographic evidence, my vehicle was
not in Fairfield Road SW16 at the time of the alleged
contravention.
Obviously, the more evidence you can gather that the photographs
do not show Fairfield Road the better, but wrong location is
fatal do a PCN, and they cannot re-issue.
#Post#: 16820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 5, 2024, 6:31 am
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+1
No way can the contravention have occurred on Fairview Road
SW16. You need to challenge this.
Might be prudent to ask for the video, but don't wait for it
before submitting your reps.
#Post#: 16823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 5, 2024, 7:03 am
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Unfortunately TfL aren't going to do the OP's legwork for them
and 'As can be seen from your photographic evidence, my vehicle
was not in Fairfield Road SW16 at the time of the alleged
contravention.' without any evidence in support wouldn't get
them to do more than look at the PCN which doesn't show where
the alleged contravention occurred and therefore they'd act on
the PCN location.
OP, IMO ask for the video. Progression would be put on hold
following receipt.
IMO, and this appears to be confirmed by the OP's post the
'photo was taken from the London road network camera'. My guess
is in the loading bay just along from the Chicken Cottage, 1426
London Road.
Whereas the embedded photo appears to show only a parking exempt
area, the colour photo shows a second sign behind this which
would govern the loading bay and also shows 'loading only' road
markings.
#Post#: 16868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: privates
Date: March 5, 2024, 4:30 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> These show Fairview Road SW16:
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/gNcmyu2qNbf9ULX46
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/E5jMFiuqci8FN6vB6
>
> Does the driver have any recollection of whereabouts at the
time of the alleged contravention?
>
> The photos (are there any better ones on TfL's website?)
appear to show a different location.
> I suspect it may be somewhere on the A23, or it is possible
the camera has been moved from a location in Fairview Road and
its ident not changed?
>
> Anyway, subject to confirmation from the experts here, I'd be
inclined to challenge along the lines of
>
> As can be seen from your photographic evidence, my vehicle was
not in Fairfield Road SW16 at the time of the alleged
contravention.
> Obviously, the more evidence you can gather that the
photographs do not show Fairfield Road the better, but wrong
location is fatal do a PCN, and they cannot re-issue.
>
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/JJT6U5BbQHVhcPrE8
It could possibly the bay above if I am not wrong after checking
the tracker..
So shall I call and request for the video before appealing?
#Post#: 16875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 5, 2024, 5:06 pm
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I rather think your latest GSV link is the location, the yellow
Western Union sign, and the orange Just Eat sign gives it away.
So obviously the PCN is totally incorrect !
If you ask for the video, be sure not to miss the deadline for
submitting reps, we've already seen two OPs on here waiting for
the video without submitting reps and getting Charge
Certificates.
#Post#: 16879--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: privates
Date: March 5, 2024, 8:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I rather think your latest GSV link is the location, the
yellow Western Union sign, and the orange Just Eat sign gives it
away.
>
> So obviously the PCN is totally incorrect !
>
> If you ask for the video, be sure not to miss the deadline for
submitting reps, we've already seen two OPs on here waiting for
the video without submitting reps and getting Charge
Certificates.
>
--- End Quote ---
Draft representation -
To whom it may concern,
I challenge this PCN on the basis that it can be seen from your
photographic evidence, my vehicle was not in Fairfield Road SW16
at the time of the alleged contravention.
For this reason I ask that the PCN is cancelled.
Thank you
#Post#: 16980--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stopped where prohibited - TFL
DIR By: privates
Date: March 7, 2024, 2:06 pm
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--- Quote from: privates link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=1437.msg16875#msg16875
date=1709680016]
> I rather think your latest GSV link is the location, the
yellow Western Union sign, and the orange Just Eat sign gives it
away.
>
> So obviously the PCN is totally incorrect !
>
> If you ask for the video, be sure not to miss the deadline for
submitting reps, we've already seen two OPs on here waiting for
the video without submitting reps and getting Charge
Certificates.
>
--- End Quote ---
Draft representation -
To whom it may concern,
I challenge this PCN on the basis that it can be seen from your
photographic evidence, my vehicle was not in Fairfield Road SW16
at the time of the alleged contravention.
For this reason I ask that the PCN is cancelled as the PCN is
incorrect and not forcable.
Thank you
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