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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: roythebus Date: April 17, 2024, 9:20 pm
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       The anti-ulez group on Bookface provides a breeding ground for
       the FOTL lot. Lads of people being given stupid advice having
       received copious quantities of ulez penalty charges, one
       contributor reckons he's got over 300 of them!!
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: DWMB2 Date: April 18, 2024, 11:04 am
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       That's where the value of sites and forums like this one is
       demonstrated.
       There are plenty of rational and sensible folks who might oppose
       ULEZ for all sorts of reasonable reasons and join those Facebook
       groups. Conversely, there are a small minority of cranks who
       oppose ULEZ because they think it's part of some global
       conspiracy to implant microchips in our brains and stop us
       finding out the earth is flat, or some other such nonsense.
       Unfortunately, when someone seeking genuine advice stumbles
       across those groups, they often end up being advised by those
       least qualified to provide it.
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: roythebus Date: June 6, 2024, 2:22 pm
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       There was another of those numpties on there again today.
       someone got a s172 over a speeding ticket. FotL says ignore it,
       it's motoring not a crime. I pointed out the bleedin' obvious
       that the Road Traffic Act is indeed criminal law and to ignore
       is likely to cost the errant RK £1000 and 6 points and victim
       support. Then the usual crap about there's no victim (which I
       think most of us agree with, it's a tax on crime) etc. and was
       laughed out. Let them find out the expensive way.
       But a couple of others from that group have taken advice and my
       have taken advantage of the advice given freely on here.
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: ivanleo Date: June 11, 2024, 11:37 am
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       [quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=143.msg19915#msg19915
       date=1713456272]
       there are a small minority of cranks who oppose ULEZ because
       they think it's part of some global conspiracy to implant
       microchips in our brains and stop us finding out the earth is
       flat, or some other such nonsense.
       [/quote]
       The global conspiracy one is an interesting point, especially
       when they suggest that anyone who argues the Earth is round has
       been bought.
       I once saw a scientist complain that they'd spent years
       debunking the flat Earth society but they'd never received any
       of their payments from the global conspiracy, and asking where
       they could complain about the outstanding payments  ;D
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: ivanleo Date: June 12, 2024, 5:06 pm
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       I've wanted to see one of these over here for ages,
       [member=10]andy_foster[/member] I know these anny me possible
       almost as much as they annoy you:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEHMzYym5E
       It's a shame we don't get to find out if the uninsured vehicle
       got crushed.
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: Charitynjw Date: April 19, 2025, 10:15 pm
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       Meads v. Meads, the Vexatious Litigants Case
  HTML https://www.slaw.ca/2012/10/01/meads-v-meads-the-vexatious-litigants-case/
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: Southpaw82 Date: January 23, 2026, 5:55 am
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       My favourite comment was “FMOTL about to get FUTA”.
       #Post#: 107098--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: andy_foster Date: January 23, 2026, 8:24 am
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       I struggled to get past the legal genius who understands the law
       far better than all the lawyers and judges in the country
       consistently using "there" instead of "their".
       Haven't read the Magna Carta recently, but I'm going to take a
       leap and say that it does not contain a definition of "driver"
       for the purposes of s. 172 RTA 1988, s. 89 RTRA 1984, or at all.
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: tonys Date: February 1, 2026, 2:33 am
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       [quote author=andy_foster link=topic=143.msg107098#msg107098
       date=1769178288]
       Haven't read the Magna Carta recently, but I'm going to take a
       leap and say that it does not contain a definition of "driver"
       for the purposes of s. 172 RTA 1988, s. 89 RTRA 1984, or at all.
       [/quote]
       Many of the whackos like to rely on Black's legal dictionary. By
       selecting the correct out of date version they can find "driver"
       defined as someone "employed" in driving. Apart from the fact
       that a dictionary has no authority, and it's a US dictionary
       anyway, the laughable thing is they don't notice the definition
       of "employed" in the same book.
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       Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
       By: andy_foster Date: February 1, 2026, 10:08 am
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       But shirley if it's in Blacks Legal Dictionary, it must be
       "black letter law"?
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