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PCN for 52M
DIR By: DIP181394
Date: February 29, 2024, 7:21 pm
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I hired a car for 3 days in Nov 23, I drove on a road that had a
restriction for 2 days in a row following google maps and I did
not notice the sign. Following my return of the vehicle I was
informed by the hire company I have penalties i.e 4 penalties
back and forth on 2 days, of which I paid 2 immediately as I had
the PCN number and the transfer of liability was not processed.
However the other 2 penalties council informed me there is a
request for transfer of liability and I should wait, and I will
still get the 14 days discount period.
I did not receive any letters till Jan 24 therefore I call the
council request to see if there are any penalties in my name at
which point they said they cant hep without the PCN which of
course I didn't have at hand because of they never wrote to me.
I now in feb received a letter demanding £195 as i didn't pay
within the 28 days, so i called them today to inform i never
received the first and that I cannot appeal online anymore, so
what will be the best course of action.
I was put on hold for quiet sometime only for the guy to come
back and say they will reduce it down to £130 each, when i
requested to understand why not £65 i was told its because when
there is a transfer of liability you don't get the discount
which i contested and requested information on where I can see
this written down, at which point I was informed I cannot appeal
on the call, but the reason why they cant the charge to £65 as I
have committed the same offence more than once. "you have been
doing the same thing again and again".
I understand I should have paid attention to the road signs and
not follow google maps blindly therefore I don't mind paying the
charges but to pay £195 when I didn't receive the PCN, and to
then not be given the chance to pay 50% less as I committed the
same offence more than once, is something I don't understand. I
was told I now need to wait to receive the letter from court and
appeal this to the court who will also charge me additional
fees.
Since I received these PCN I have never driven through that
restricted area.
Please can someone help me understand if it is a rule that the
council can decide to not offer 50% discount if you have
committed the same offence more than once.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: March 1, 2024, 1:27 am
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Wrong forum, a Mod' will move it to the council forum for you.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: taffer87
Date: March 1, 2024, 4:56 am
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please upload the documents as per:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 17508--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 17, 2024, 6:12 pm
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[member=1307]DIP181394[/member] please show us the paperwork as
advised by taffer87.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: DIP181394
Date: May 5, 2024, 1:59 pm
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Hi all
Apologies for my delayed response.
Attached is the letter i received from the council and this was
the only letter i received from them.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Jdmr1aE.jpeg
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 5, 2024, 3:38 pm
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[member=1307]DIP181394[/member] I've reposted your letter with
your address redacted, as you really shouldn't publish that
online.
As it's a transfer of liability case we can likely get it
cancelled altogether (no need to pay the £65 charge if you don't
have to), but you must:
1) Stop contacting the council,
2) stop phoning the council,
3) stop trusting anything the council says.
The main issue is most people who work for the council have no
idea how any of this works, so even if they're genuinely trying
to help you they will almost always give you the wrong
information (and the information they have given you so far is
in fact wrong).
Urgent next steps: The amount due is at £204 which means the PCN
has already been registered with the traffic enforcement centre,
this means that unless you get a move on and do something about
it you could end up with enforcement agents coming to collect
the debt. You must act now to stop this from happening.
Call the traffic enforcement centre first thing on Tuesday
morning on 0300 123 1059 and ask if you are still able to file
an "in-time" statutory declaration (do not ask anything else,
they cannot help you with any other query whatsoever). If they
say yes, ask them how long you have left. By my calculation you
might have a few days left but you're likely on the absolute
limit of how much time is allowed.
If TEC confirms you are still able to make a statutory
declaration "in-time" (rather than an out of time one) please
read the guide here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/<br
/>but jump to the part that starts with "As soon as the debt has
been registered, use form PE3..." and follow the steps described
in the guide.
If TEC tells you you need to make an out-of-time application,
let us know ASAP and we'll have to help you draft an out-of-time
application, which unfortunately is a lot more involved.
If TEC tells you that Tuesday is your final day to make a
declaration, it's really on you to pull out all the stops to get
this done, even if it means going to your local high-street
solicitor and paying a £10 fee to get the form witnessed. Better
this than paying £500 to a bailiff.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: DIP181394
Date: May 6, 2024, 1:32 am
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Hey,
Thanks
I have received the form in the post and tomorrow is my last
day.
I am not sure what I should write in the sections that says your
reasons.
It’s a tiny box I will not be able to fit everything in the box.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 6, 2024, 3:28 am
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"In time" declarations don't need reasons.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 6, 2024, 6:51 am
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[member=1307]DIP181394[/member] as the guide tells you the
"reasons" box must be left blank.
If tomorrow is the last day, have you got an appointment at the
county court to get the form sworn? If not, walk into any
high-street solicitors and ask if there's anyone available to
witness it for you, the £5 / £10 fee is well worth the hassle it
will save you.
You must email the form to tec@justice.gov.uk before 4 pm.
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Re: PCN for 52M
DIR By: DIP181394
Date: May 6, 2024, 5:21 pm
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Hey
Yes I have a local solicitor who can help sign the form they
usually have a walk in service so I should be able to get a time
tomorrow.
Thank you
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