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City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: February 26, 2024, 4:43 pm
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Hi,
hope all is well. Are there any grounds of appeal for the
following PCN?
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#Post#: 16333--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 26, 2024, 5:10 pm
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Is this all you are going to tell us, because at the moment, you
look bang-to-rights, so some narrative, please.
So you were in this bay: -
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outside No 39 possibly. The sign states it is for resident
permit holders only Mon-Sun 8.30 am to 8.30 pm, 'B'permits. Your
PCN is timed at 10.03, well within the restriction period.
As you presumably have no resident permit, any reason you parked
there ? Did you read what the sign said ?
#Post#: 16428--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: February 27, 2024, 10:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Is this all you are going to tell us, because at the moment,
you look bang-to-rights, so some narrative, please.
>
> So you were in this bay: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cmCsr4xdXYxB8rkX9
> outside No 39 possibly. The sign states it is for resident
permit holders only Mon-Sun 8.30 am to 8.30 pm, 'B'permits. Your
PCN is timed at 10.03, well within the restriction period.
>
> As you presumably have no resident permit, any reason you
parked there ? Did you read what the sign said ?
>
--- End Quote ---
I was staying at the hotel outside of this bay. I had checked in
at a later time (2PM) but was loading luggage to the hotel at
this time as it was a emergency booking. I was going to
originally appeal on the loading exemption of two luggage's but
wanted to see if there is any other grounds I could appeal on
Representation draft :
To whom it may concern,
I appeal this PCN on the basis I was loading luggage into
Signature Townhouse London, Hyde Park Hotel, 36-37 Lancaster
Gate, London, W2 3NA. If the officer had observed the bay for
any time they would have witnessed this.
I will attach to this appeal a witness statement from my partner
and evidence of booking for the hotel.
I ask that this PCN is cancelled under the heavy loading
exemption.
Thank you.
#Post#: 16434--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 28, 2024, 3:35 am
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I don't know what has happened but I seem to have posted the
wrong GSV link; sorry !!
so: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/aHqLG9Mj12WCEeoR9
The hotel comes up on GSV, and if you look, there is a yellow
line at the corner, between the two parking bays. You could have
stopped there to unload your luggage, although you'd have
probably got a PCN, but there is the loading exemption for
yellow lines. The TRO that has established the parking bays may
also have an exemption for loading and also for
boarding/alighting passengers, so you are correct in emphasising
the unloading activity.
So where did you eventually park having got the PCN ?
#Post#: 16439--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 28, 2024, 4:09 am
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The other thing that came to my mind after my last reply was
that as a resident parking bay, the hotel should have a facility
to issue visitor permits to hotel guests so they can park in the
resident bay. These can be either cardboard scratch cards or
virtual visitor permits. A permit is normally for one day, so
one needed per days of hotel stay. Of course, these would be
chargeable.
#Post#: 16450--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 28, 2024, 5:43 am
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Multiple choice issue re PCN description.
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#Post#: 16539--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: February 29, 2024, 10:49 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The other thing that came to my mind after my last reply was
that as a resident parking bay, the hotel should have a facility
to issue visitor permits to hotel guests so they can park in the
resident bay. These can be either cardboard scratch cards or
virtual visitor permits. A permit is normally for one day, so
one needed per days of hotel stay. Of course, these would be
chargeable.
>
--- End Quote ---
This was not the case unfortunately as when asked they had asked
me to park the vehicle in a Q-Car park which is 0.8 miles away.
This also has nothing to do with the hotel but is the closest
car park.
I had parked right infront of where the google maps view shows
on the link. In the PCN pictures there is a vehicle behind mine,
that is where the entrance to the hotel is.
#Post#: 16556--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 29, 2024, 1:47 pm
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Apart from a PCN content error, the other avenue is to check the
TRO for Lancaster Gate to see if loading is an exemption in the
resident permit bays. However, why not submit representations
that you were unloading luggage to the hotel prior to moving the
car to <car park you used> . Point out the nature of the
luggage was far too heavy and bulky to carry from the car park
which was nearly a mile away. Post your draft here for review,
thne submit it, and also their response when you get it
#Post#: 16686--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: privates
Date: March 2, 2024, 2:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Apart from a PCN content error, the other avenue is to check
the TRO for Lancaster Gate to see if loading is an exemption in
the resident permit bays. However, why not submit
representations that you were unloading luggage to the hotel
prior to moving the car to <car park you used> . Point out the
nature of the luggage was far too heavy and bulky to carry from
the car park which was nearly a mile away. Post your draft here
for review, thne submit it, and also their response when you
get it
>
--- End Quote ---
To whom it may concern,
I appeal this PCN on the basis I was loading heavy luggage into
Signature Townhouse London, Hyde Park Hotel, 36-37 Lancaster
Gate, London, W2 3NA. If the officer had observed the bay for
any time they would have witnessed this. The luggage was far to
heavy to carry from where I had parked my vehicle which was near
to a mile away. It would have been impossible for me to carry
the luggage from where I had parked the car to the hotel, for
this reason I had load my heavy luggage from outside the hotel.
I will attach to this appeal a witness statement from my partner
and evidence of booking for the hotel.
I ask that this PCN is cancelled under the heavy loading
exemption.
Thank you.
#Post#: 16690--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 2, 2024, 4:05 pm
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Looks OK.
This is of course, just an informal challenge, so they'll
probably send you the usual Fob-Off letter. Post their reply
when you get it.
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