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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: June 28, 2023, 5:36 pm
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Keep an eye out on the amount due on the council website, once
it goes up to £204 you know they've registered the debt and can
file a statutory declaration with the Traffic Enforcement
Centre.
All you'll need to do is download and print form PE3 from
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice<br
/>and fill it in (but don't sign it!), the relevant box is "I
made
representations about the penalty charge to the local authority
concerned within 28 days of the service of the Notice to
Owner/Enforcement Notice/Penalty Charge Notice, but did not
receive a rejection notice".
The "reasons" box must be left blank, and note that the
"Applicant" in the box in the top-left corner is the London
Borough of Hounslow, not you.
You will then have to make an appointment at the local county
court to sign it in front of a court officer (it's free), you
can then scan and email it to tec@justice.gov.uk with the PCN
number in the subject line.
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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: efunc
Date: July 8, 2023, 6:56 am
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Thank you for information about the process. I've been checking
the hounslow website and the penalty is still showing as £195.
Should we wait until it changes before filling in the PE3 and
having the form notorised? Will we receive any notification of
the Statutory Declaration before this?
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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 8, 2023, 7:07 am
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You should receive an Order for Recovery in the post, but you
can't really rely on that as there's always a chance it might go
missing, and if it does and you don't know it's been sent you
could miss the deadline, and then you're really screwed.
The one way to be 100% sure that the debt is or isn't registered
with TEC is to call them up and check, contact details are here:
HTML https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/courts/traffic-enforcement-centre-tec
#Post#: 1157--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 12, 2023, 7:11 am
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I have just found out that there is no approval from the
Secretary of State for the camera at this location, so we can
win a substantive appeal on that point:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/4Yi00lA.png
The only approval certificates
HTML https://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/tma-part-6-list-of-approved-devices/approved-device-certifications-hounslow.zip<br
/>issued under the 1996 Act are for "Yunex (Zenco) “LaneWatch”
fixed cameras" and "Yunex (Zenco) Zengrab and fixed cameras",
neither of which seem to be in use here.
#Post#: 1469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: efunc
Date: July 18, 2023, 4:27 pm
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That's remarkable cp! Thanks for that information. One wonders
why they procured and installed non-compliant hardware if it
places them at such an obvious disadvantage.
I've been watching the hounslow portal and it still shows no
change in the penalty amount. Is it actually necessary to wait
until we see this/or receive notification of the statutory
declaration or Order for Recovery before we submit the PE3. Or
could we get the form notorised and submitted before that? My
partner, the keeper/driver, is away for a week so I just want to
check how much time we'll be allowed to submit the form should
anything updated this week for example while she's away.
#Post#: 1495--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: July 19, 2023, 4:06 am
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You could call TEC to check directly with them if the debt is
registered, contact details here:
HTML https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/courts/traffic-enforcement-centre-tec
You cannot file the statutory declaration with TEC until the
debt has been registered, if you send them the form beforehand
they'll just rejected as there's nothing on file.
Once the Order for Recovery is served you have 21 days, so a 1
week absence should not be a problem. Obviously sending the
forms to TEC by email gives you the advantage that it gets there
instantly.
#Post#: 2874--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: efunc
Date: August 7, 2023, 4:59 pm
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Thanks for the info about the process. Is it usual for it to
take so long before the Order for Recovery? I just looked at the
Hounslow website again and the penalty is still listed as £195.
Just wondering if it's generally triggered after certain period,
or just done ad hoc?
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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 9, 2023, 5:03 pm
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It's very much ad-hoc, you just need to keep on checking once
every 10 days or so.
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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: efunc
Date: January 24, 2024, 4:34 pm
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Returning to the topic because I check the status from time to
time and note that it hasn't changed, which is still 'CC Sent'.
The original PCN was issued on 08/03/23 so it coming up to
almost a year. Is it usual to have such a long wait?
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Re: Hounslow Council - 34 Being in a Bus Lane
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 24, 2024, 7:13 pm
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--- Quote from: efunc link ---
>
> Returning to the topic because I check the status from time to
time and note that it hasn't changed, which is still 'CC Sent'.
The original PCN was issued on 08/03/23 so it coming up to
almost a year. Is it usual to have such a long wait?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, but what was the CC date ?
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