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#Post#: 18244--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: taffer87
Date: March 25, 2024, 7:06 am
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> [quote author=YoungDigga link=topic=1377.msg18060#msg18060
date=1711106372]
> Okay so I got the notice of rejection is there a template or
another post you can point me to in order to best challenge the
transfer of liability at tribunal?
>
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Please post the pics of the notice or rejection
Usually you should do the Tribunal appeal online and request in
/ person or telephone hearing and just say "I rely on my formal
representations and will provide further detail on review of the
council evidence bundle". Then wait for the evidence bundle as
they could just decide not to contest
[/quote]
Plz follow the above if you want to appeal to the tribunal (and
lose the discount).
The current appeal you have is incorrect.
After using the standard one line type appeal above - see if the
council submits an evidence pack and then upload that here for
more detailed advice from seniors
A lot of times the council just doesn't contest at all and does
not submit an evidence pack so people don't look at this in more
detail until then.
#Post#: 18416--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: YoungDigga
Date: March 27, 2024, 4:27 am
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Thanks taffer. Just submitted appeal online with the one liner
"I rely on my formal representations and will provide further
detail on review of the council evidence bundle" as suggested.
It also asked me to select grounds for appeal and only logical
one that made sense was "I was not the owner of the vehicle".
Will update here once I hear back.
#Post#: 19810--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: YoungDigga
Date: April 17, 2024, 1:21 am
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Okay so I have a date for my appeal 23rd May 2024 at 15:30 at
London Tribunals, Chancery Exchange, Ground Floor North, 10
Furnival Street, LONDON, EC4A 1AB
It looks like I can receive the evidence up to three days prior
to the hearing which is cutting it fine. Do councils usually
wait this long before deciding they don't want to contest or
submitting?
Also it didn't give me the option to attend virtually but I
might request to attend via telephone as my partner is pregnant
and due on the 19th May so don't want to chance having to attend
this in person. Is there any reason why I wouldn't want to do
this?
See pdf attached:
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#Post#: 19820--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 17, 2024, 5:21 am
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I think most London Tribunals adjudications are done over the
phone now, although others on here may have the exact figures.
The Traffic Penalty Tribunal now do video adjudications using MS
Teams so I suppose you could say London Tribunals are behind the
times. However at least London Tribunals offer an on-line
searchable register of decided cases, called the "Statutory
Register", where you can look for cases similar to yours.
#Post#: 20171--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 21, 2024, 10:55 am
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--- Quote from: YoungDigga link ---
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> Okay so I got the notice of rejection is there a template or
another post you can point me to in order to best challenge the
transfer of liability at tribunal?
>
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[member=1280]YoungDigga[/member] did you write to the hire and
if so did you get a response?
Also I'm not sure we've seen a copy of your representations to
the council?
In all honesty if the council contests the appeal your best bet
is to ask one of us to represent you.
In the meantime I'm also going to try and find out if their CCTV
cameras are properly certified.
#Post#: 20533--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: YoungDigga
Date: April 24, 2024, 4:18 pm
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> [member=1280]YoungDigga[/member] did you write to the hire and
if so did you get a response?
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I did write to them but got no reply even after chasing it up a
few times. Nothing. As far as a copy of my representation I
don't actually have a copy but it wasn't too far off from this
draft
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> I am writing to appeal the two Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs)
that I received for contravention 47J - Stopped on a restricted
bus stop or stand (camera enforcement) at Millennium Way in
Royal Borough Greenwich.
> Firstly, I would like to bring to your attention that there is
an insane amount of road work going on at the location where I
received the PCNs. All the usual pickup/dropoff spots were coned
off and there were roadworks in the suggested car park location
that the O2 Arena suggests using. As someone who used to live
around the area, I recall this so-called "bus stop" being a
pickup/dropoff location. Therefore, I was unable to see the
double yellow lines either side of this bus stop because they
were coned off.
> Furthermore, I have never received two PCNs on the same day
before, but from what I have read, they should be treated as one
due to receiving them both at the same time. From searching
online, I see that people usually receive a warning notice
first, but this was not the case for me. While I understand that
the council is not obliged to issue a warning notice, it is a
shame given the circumstances as I am not sure where else I
could possibly pickup/dropoff there.
> Additionally, my car is on a long-term lease, and the transfer
of liability here appears to be invalid. My lease company first
notified me of the PCN via email and wrote a letter to RBG with
a third-party authorisation letter. However, I do not see a
valid hire agreement attached to my PCN, so I believe liability
cannot lawfully be transferred to me.
> In light of the above, I kindly request that you cancel the
two PCNs that I received. I look forward to hearing back from
you soon.
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
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To be honest reading it back now it seems pretty weak of a
representation but I know I needed to submit something which
they would have rejected anyways.
Happy for one of you to represent me. We will see what happens
as we get closer to the time. Still appears that the council
haven't responded yet. Let me know if anything else is needed in
the meantime from my side. I have submitted a request to have it
done virtually/telephone if possible so hopefully this makes it
easier for someone to represent.
#Post#: 20880--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2024, 11:16 am
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--- Quote from: YoungDigga link ---
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> I have submitted a request to have it done virtually/telephone
if possible so hopefully this makes it easier for someone to
represent.
>
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Did you send your request to the lt.reception mailbox as stated
on the scheduling letter?
#Post#: 22112--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 10, 2024, 5:53 pm
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[member=1280]YoungDigga[/member] I've got this from the council:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/wVvIefH.png
Has the council contested the case?
#Post#: 22324--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: YoungDigga
Date: May 13, 2024, 4:19 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member]
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> Did you send your request to the lt.reception mailbox as
stated on the scheduling letter?
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Yes. See the confirmation attached where they confirm it will
happen via phone.
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> Has the council contested the case?
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Nothing from the council yet from what I can see in the portal.
They haven't uploaded any evidence whatsoever. What is the
latest I should leave this to expect a hearing to either take
place or not?
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#Post#: 22325--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2x PCN Royal Greenwich Millennium Way 47J - Stopped on a
restricted bus stop or stand- Lease/Hire
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 13, 2024, 4:33 pm
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--- Quote from: YoungDigga link ---
>
> Nothing from the council yet from what I can see in the
portal. They haven't uploaded any evidence whatsoever. What is
the latest I should leave this to expect a hearing to either
take place or not?
>
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[member=1280]YoungDigga[/member] You want to check the portal
every day in the 7 days prior to the hearing. If something gets
uploaded during the last 7 days, you can call the tribunal call
centre and request a reschedule (I'd suggest postponing the case
as much as possible in this scenario, you can move the case by
up to 28 days). If on the afternoon of the day before the
hearing they haven't uploaded anything, you'll normally get a
call from the tribunal confirming that the hearing is cancelled.
The one thing you don't want to do if the evidence comes in the
last week is try and prepare for the hearing in a massive rush,
if it comes to it just move the hearing.
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