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#Post#: 18874--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 2, 2024, 1:39 pm
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OK well if they contest the appeal we could develop the
argument.
#Post#: 19278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: April 8, 2024, 5:47 am
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Hello [member=1]cp8759[/member], I've just received the evidence
pack in which my original challenge text was finally provided to
me:
"Q: Please describe why you want to challenge the penalty charge
notice
A: The lighting around the area and insufficient illumination of
signage in advance of approaching the bus lane are the main
reasons.
I was driving the vehicle at a time where street lighting was
off, and I veered into the left lane assuming it was the safest
lane to travel with and being uncertain whether the right lane
represented a fork to force me to turn right. I didn't see
adequate signage when approaching the lane (I don't think street
lighting and signing was lit) that there was a restriction in
that lane. I only realised after I saw the double dashed lines
that gave way to the right lane traffic that I may have been in
the wrong lane. But further to not seeing any visible signage on
my approach, I was not aware that the validity of it extended to
after midnight either. I thought it was safer for me to continue
to proceed rather than reverse my car and then move to the right
lane."
I would like to ask if you would be prepared to represent or
assist me in this matter at all? My wife is the registered
keeper and I was the driver at the time of the contravention,
which has been recorded.
I'm happy to request switching the hearing to a telephone
hearing as required, and I would maintain that I should still be
allowed the discounted £65 rate given my earlier email
submission and the council's failure to provide me with the
above evidence text in time.
#Post#: 19282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 8, 2024, 6:31 am
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I have sent you a PM.
#Post#: 19344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: guest17
Date: April 8, 2024, 3:17 pm
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I understand that the camera used at this site is VCA/SoS
approved for parking contraventions under Art 2 The Civil
Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (Approved Devices)
(England) Order 2007.
I'll leave it to others to determine if this provides wriggle
room in a moving traffic case.
Mike
#Post#: 19350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: April 8, 2024, 4:14 pm
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Unfortunately, it matters not. Petition re homogeneity to
follow. ;D
#Post#: 21581--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 4, 2024, 6:37 pm
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Outcome
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fBrtK_vLGHU89FD8w1FkEZNCpUufa5iz/view.
#Post#: 21591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 5, 2024, 5:01 am
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Well done. An illuminating decision. :)
#Post#: 21603--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: roythebus
Date: May 5, 2024, 8:23 am
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Or rather a not illuminated decision. :) Well done to all.
I've found from my boss who lives in the area that a number of
similar bus gates exist in the Harrow area, mainly to stop
residential roads being used at through routes by lorries which
is understandable I suppose. But these roads are usually bus
routes as well, hence the bus gates.
The other main reason is the cash they generate for the council.
#Post#: 21741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: May 7, 2024, 8:26 am
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Thanks to [member=1]cp8759[/member] for representing me and
successfully arguing my case. Sadly the council have now
improved the lighting from what it was at, at the time of the
PCN.
But I'd say that their inability to provide key information
(such as CCTV and original appeal text) within a reasonable
time-frame could make them liable as well, given the 12th March
misleading around keeping the discount on hold (when it wasn't)
#Post#: 21788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: May 7, 2024, 5:52 pm
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--- Quote from: AceKingPin link ---
>
> Sadly the council have now improved the lighting from what it
was at, at the time of the PCN.
>
--- End Quote ---
On the other hand we can hope that the improved lighting will
result in fewer contraventions and fewer PCNs being issued in
the fist place.
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