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#Post#: 18451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 27, 2024, 11:42 am
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--- Quote from: AceKingPin link ---
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> Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member],
>
> It's in a state of hold
>
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[member=1271]AceKingPin[/member] no it isn't, the appeal
deadline is the adjudicator's deadline, it's not the council's
deadline and the council can't extend somebody else's deadline.
The discount is gone and the appeal period expired a week ago,
so I suggest you urgently register an appeal on the tribunal
website at
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/
When the portal asks you why you're appealing late, you'll just
have to explain that you were waiting for some further
information from the council and you were under the impression
the council had put the matter on hold, but you've now received
legal advice confirming the council cannot extend the 28 day
appeal deadline.
You can just put "I rely on my formal representations" as the
reasons for the appeal, when we can wait for the tribunal
evidence pack and submit a full argument at a later date.
#Post#: 18456--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: March 27, 2024, 12:08 pm
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Thanks [member=1]cp8759[/member] - the London Tribunals website
is asking me for a verification code: "On your Notice of
Rejection letter you will find the verification code" - per my
screenshots earlier, there isn't one, so what do I do? I can't
bypass this screen.
#Post#: 18457--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 27, 2024, 12:12 pm
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--- Quote from: AceKingPin link ---
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> Thanks [member=1]cp8759[/member] - the London Tribunals
website is asking me for a verification code: "On your Notice of
Rejection letter you will find the verification code" - per my
screenshots earlier, there isn't one, so what do I do? I can't
bypass this screen.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=1271]AceKingPin[/member] with the notice of rejection
you should have had a paper appeal form, the verification code
is printed on the last page on the right hand side.
If they didn't provide a paper appeal form let me know please.
#Post#: 18462--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: March 27, 2024, 2:54 pm
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Thanks [member=1]cp8759[/member], I found the code in the end,
had to rifle through some paperwork - so submitted a very brief
appeal (ref 2240148427), stating:
"I was waiting for some further information from the council and
I was under the impression the council had put the matter on
hold from an email they had sent to me on 12/3/24, stating:
"We are in receipt of your further email and the case is on hold
awaiting a response to be issued and sent to you. The Council
are currently experiencing a backlog and so you may not receive
a response for a further 2-3 weeks. The case will remain on hold
until it is dealt with."
I've now received legal advice confirming the council cannot
extend the 28 day appeal deadline. I am unable to form the basis
of my appeal without the information I requested of the council
on 12/3/24, so in lieu of this, I rely on my formal
representations."
I'll know the Tribunal decision within 7 days on acceptance (or
not) of my appeal.
#Post#: 18613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: March 30, 2024, 5:52 pm
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Hello, so the appeal was agreed to be considered by the
Adjudicator on 30 April at London Tribunals on Furnival Street.
I have the option of requesting a telephone hearing.
Thanks for your advice @cp8759 - so given the appeal is now
taking place, I'm questioning:
1. Is it better to opt for a telephone hearing (cost and time of
going into London)?
2. Does the council's slow response to my evidence requests
count against them?
3. How long is it reasonable / unreasonable for the council to
take in duration, before providing me with my original
representation text?
4. Do I still have the option of the reduced charge given the
delays from the council, in the event my appeal fails?
Many thanks for any help and advice.
#Post#: 18616--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 30, 2024, 6:25 pm
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When I'm representing someone I always do so by telephone, it is
very rare that a case is complex or important enough to warrant
a personal attendance.
The council is not required to provide any evidence at all prior
to the tribunal stage.
The council should provide an evidence pack prior to the
hearing, but the tribunal will give an appellant up to two
reschedules of up to 28 days each, no questions asked. This
being the case, if you get the evidence pack from the council
less than two weeks prior to the hearing, I'd just call up the
tribunal call centre and move the hearing back 3 or 4 weeks, so
you don't have to prepare in a massive rush.
The discount is gone, any appeal to the tribunal is against the
full penalty. The discount is offered for those who are willing
to accept liability and who thus save the council the trouble
and expense of having to fight a tribunal appeal, if you could
appeal and still pay the discount then everyone would appeal
everything regardless of merit.
Do not rely on the post, check the tribunal portal once every
few days to see if the council has contested the case. The
digital version of the evidence is easier to work with so my
advice is that if you get a copy in the post, throw it straight
in the bin and download the PDF version from the tribunal
website.
#Post#: 18643--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 31, 2024, 6:35 am
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+1. And, if you do ask for a changed date, avoid Thursdays.
They should all correspondence in their pack.
#Post#: 18852--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: April 2, 2024, 9:15 am
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Thanks for your responses [member=1]cp8759[/member] and
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member].
I'm saddened to hear the discount is gone, as I was told by the
council that the 'case was on hold' - does that have no meaning?
I've submitted my appeal based on your advice
[member=1]cp8759[/member] - have I lost my ability to claim a
discounted reduction as a result?
I'm surprised it's taken so long for the council to provide me
with my original representation text which is something I'd
think could be retrieved in minutes rather than the order of a
month, hence my question on whether this is unreasonable. I'd
think I should be entitled to review all of my information
submitted BEFORE I decide to appeal, not after - and I take
issue with that.
#Post#: 18855--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 2, 2024, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: AceKingPin link ---
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> Thanks for your responses [member=1]cp8759[/member] and
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member].
>
> I'm saddened to hear the discount is gone, as I was told by
the council that the 'case was on hold' - does that have no
meaning?
>
--- End Quote ---
Obviously not, when I looked on the council website this is what
appeared:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/a2oqEB4.png
Did you get anything in writing, or did you just believe what
they said on the phone?
#Post#: 18870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow Code 33E Route restricted for Buses/Cycles/Taxis -
Camrose Avenue (Again!)
DIR By: AceKingPin
Date: April 2, 2024, 12:20 pm
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Hello [member=1]cp8759[/member], I received the following in
writing:
[attachimg=1]
So I genuinely thought the discount would remain active. This
response is contrary to the screenshot you've sent, and to me,
it seems unfair and that I've been misled in this process.
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