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#Post#: 15115--------------------------------------------------
Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: privates
Date: February 6, 2024, 9:07 am
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& again.. :'(
Any grounds of appeal for the below?
City of Westminister
Entering & stopping in a box junction when prohibited (Camera
enforcement)
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PCN :
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#Post#: 15123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: February 6, 2024, 10:52 am
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post the video not stills from it
The date for payment quoted on the PCN is wrong and that alone
can be a winner
#Post#: 15127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 6, 2024, 11:11 am
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+1 The PCN is unenforceable.
#Post#: 15135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: MrChips
Date: February 6, 2024, 3:08 pm
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I've watched the video. I assume you are the car turning left
out of the box? If so the video does not give any evidence of a
contravention. It's only a contravention to stop in a box
junction due to stationary vehicles. The video offers no
evidence as to the reason for your stop. It may well have been
for pedestrians crossing the road.
#Post#: 15271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: privates
Date: February 8, 2024, 2:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> post the video not stills from it
>
> The date for payment quoted on the PCN is wrong and that alone
can be a winner
>
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: privates
Date: February 8, 2024, 2:54 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> I've watched the video. I assume you are the car turning left
out of the box? If so the video does not give any evidence of a
contravention. It's only a contravention to stop in a box
junction due to stationary vehicles. The video offers no
evidence as to the reason for your stop. It may well have been
for pedestrians crossing the road.
>
--- End Quote ---
That is correct. I've uploaded the video to the link above this
comment. Let me know if it doesn't work for anybody with a
recommendation of a different upload link.
Thanks guys
#Post#: 15457--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 11, 2024, 6:21 pm
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Here's the video:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEvfPNJQCDs
Well it's not a contravention to being with, and the PCN wording
is hopelessly flawed. Just send this:
[indent]
Dear City of Westminster,
I challenge liability for PCN WE50529041 for the following
reasons:
1) The video footage does not show any contravention, as the
video does not show any stationary vehicles beyond the box
markings,
2) The penalty charge notice is hopelessly flawed as the
statutory periods are wrong
3) Based on the above, it would be wholly unreasonable for the
council to reject this representation.
Should the council reject this representation, I will be
pursuing a costs application at the tribunal.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
Don't forget to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
Do not rely on the post, keep checking the amount due on the
council website and let us know when the amount due goes up or
down.
#Post#: 15514--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 12, 2024, 3:55 pm
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Wow! A psychological template re how to respond to a bully! The
problem is: these people dealing with such are totally
incompetent and actually believe they are right!
#Post#: 15541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: privates
Date: February 12, 2024, 7:43 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Here's the video:
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEvfPNJQCDs
>
> Well it's not a contravention to being with, and the PCN
wording is hopelessly flawed. Just send this:
>
> [indent]
> Dear City of Westminster,
>
> I challenge liability for PCN WE50529041 for the following
reasons:
>
> 1) The video footage does not show any contravention, as the
video does not show any stationary vehicles beyond the box
markings,
> 2) The penalty charge notice is hopelessly flawed as the
statutory periods are wrong
> 3) Based on the above, it would be wholly unreasonable for the
council to reject this representation.
>
> Should the council reject this representation, I will be
pursuing a costs application at the tribunal.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
> Don't forget to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
>
> Do not rely on the post, keep checking the amount due on the
council website and let us know when the amount due goes up or
down.
>
--- End Quote ---
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The restriction that I am supposed to have ignored was not
signed
would this be the correct selection?
#Post#: 15590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction
DIR By: privates
Date: February 13, 2024, 11:43 am
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Can anyone recommend which option to select in the above
options? I feel as if none apply to the appeal..
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