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#Post#: 14333--------------------------------------------------
North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid disc, St
Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: Fowler1981
Date: January 25, 2024, 5:33 pm
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Hi everyone. The girlfriend parked with a residents scratch card
on the dashboard scratching off the correct date (25th) and with
the 24th also partly scratched. The contravention given is
'Parked in a disc parking place without clearly displaying a
valid disc' and it is Code 35.
This is the GSV link:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/FqkypasaJxhCmqS8A
Front of the PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QLUJcH1.jpg
Back of the PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/SWtNuNO.jpg
Scratchcard:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/W6sZwwS.jpg
Do we have a way of fighting this one please?
#Post#: 14334--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 25, 2024, 7:02 pm
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24th looks as if it was deliberately scratched, so why was this,
an error ? Strictly speaking another card should have been
used. Of course, go ahead and submit reps if this is the error,
but they can refuse them and I don't think you'd win at
adjudication. The PCN looks kosher.
#Post#: 14342--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: Fowler1981
Date: January 26, 2024, 4:15 am
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The 24th being scratched was kind of deliberate. I asked her
about that and she said she just wasn't thinking, she just saw
24 on the previous days card and just started scratching it off
before noticing 25 on her watch.
I've noticed on a lot of threads on here the wording on the PCN
is very often wrong. That's not the case here then?
#Post#: 14344--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 26, 2024, 4:44 am
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--- Quote from: Fowler1981 link ---
>
> The 24th being scratched was kind of deliberate. I asked her
about that and she said she just wasn't thinking, she just saw
24 on the previous days card and just started scratching it off
before noticing 25 on her watch.
>
> I've noticed on a lot of threads on here the wording on the
PCN is very often wrong. That's not the case here then?
>
--- End Quote ---
Not as far as I can see, no. We don't often see PCNs from North
York council, but their PCN used by CEOs looks OK. Often errors
are made in the small print, but here these look OK.
#Post#: 14822--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 1, 2024, 6:18 pm
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[member=1082]Fowler1981[/member] I can see at least two or three
ways to beat this one. I take she was parked here?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Xir2h47c553eBQ5o6
I don't think the signage is adequate as it appears to be out of
sight behind a corner:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pILiRhe.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/dM8b1gq.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Tln9XK7.jpeg
Who's the registered keeper of the car?
#Post#: 14825--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: Fowler1981
Date: February 1, 2024, 11:23 pm
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Yeah, that silver car is hers and she is the registered keeper.
Do you want me to pop there today, see if there are any other
signs nearby?
#Post#: 14829--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 2, 2024, 3:16 am
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Well we can see the signs on google street view, but by all
means you can check if anything has changed.
One thing worth asking her is why didn't she just get another
permit? Was it her last one?
#Post#: 14846--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: Fowler1981
Date: February 2, 2024, 6:48 am
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So, I've just driven down that road and if you turn around on
street view there is two more 'Disc Zone' signs before you get
to the left turning and another one before the next left
turning. So another 3 signs within a 20-30 second walk.
As with the permit, she has said she didn't want to waste one so
chanced that one would still be ok.
#Post#: 14914--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 3, 2024, 12:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Fowler1981 link ---
>
> So, I've just driven down that road and if you turn around on
street view there is two more 'Disc Zone' signs before you get
to the left turning and another one before the next left
turning. So another 3 signs within a 20-30 second walk.
>
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That's not how bay signs work: signs in another bay don't count,
as different bays can have different restrictions. There must be
a sign for relevant bay, visible from where you are when you get
out of the car. If a sign is within sight you have to go up to
it to read it, but if it isn't visible at all you're not
required to walk up and down the street looking for signs.
Could you get us a photo from here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/vWsazp5wzdEc3ELC9,
but as if you were
standing by the driver's side door of the black car seen on
google street view?
If as I suspect the sign for the bay is wholly out of sight,
then there's a case to be made on the signage and I think we can
get the council to commit a procedural impropriety as well.
As for the permit, that was a bit silly of her but it is what it
is, so we'll have to go with a technical appeal instead.
#Post#: 15030--------------------------------------------------
Re: North Yorkshire Council, code 35 not displaying a valid
disc, St Sepulchre Street, Scarborough
DIR By: Fowler1981
Date: February 5, 2024, 3:00 am
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Here is a photo from that drivers door
HTML https://i.imgur.com/CZ17pri.jpg
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