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#Post#: 14249--------------------------------------------------
Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: privates
Date: January 24, 2024, 6:18 am
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Hi,
wanted to know if there is any grounds of appeal for this PCN?
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These are also followed by video evidence of the PCN.
#Post#: 14267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 24, 2024, 12:09 pm
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> wanted to know if there is any grounds of appeal for this PCN?
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Well, none whatever for the contravention itself, as you ignored
a left turn arrow: -
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The PCN may contain fatal errors, although I see none, but I'm
not totally up-to-speed on the LLA & TfL Act 2003, so see what
the others say. You could of course, submit reps on the basis
that nothing in their video or photos shows the sign you
ignored.
#Post#: 14275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 24, 2024, 1:49 pm
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I don't see any signs.
#Post#: 14278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: January 24, 2024, 2:48 pm
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That sign is not a 'turn left' sign, i.e. item 1 not item 2 in
the Part 2 sign table:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/3/made
Compulsory turn left (item 2) signs can be found durther along
Savile Row.
Whether an adjudicator would attach much weight to this
distinction, I don't know.
This BMW seems to have more than its fair share of motoring
misfortune judging by current threads.
#Post#: 14746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: privates
Date: February 1, 2024, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> That sign is not a 'turn left' sign, i.e. item 1 not item 2 in
the Part 2 sign table:
>
>
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/3/made
>
> Compulsory turn left (item 2) signs can be found durther along
Savile Row.
>
> Whether an adjudicator would attach much weight to this
distinction, I don't know.
>
> This BMW seems to have more than its fair share of motoring
misfortune judging by current threads.
>
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It does unfortunately.
The sign I believe they're referring too is the turn left signal
on the road..
#Post#: 14761--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 1, 2024, 8:44 am
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@privates
Wakey wakey Hippo! The PCN is pants: date to pay is expressed
in two different ways! PCN is a nullity therefore.
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HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
8(a)(iii)
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
Similarly, the 14 days is also incorrect.
iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the
period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the
amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified
proportion;
Happy to do this one for you if it goes to the Tribunal.
#Post#: 14764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 1, 2024, 9:05 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote]wanted to know if there is any grounds of appeal for
this PCN?
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The PCN may contain fatal errors, although I see none, but I'm
not totally up-to-speed on the LLA & TfL Act 2003, so see what
the others say. You could of course, submit reps on the basis
that nothing in their video or photos shows the sign you
ignored.
[/quote]
Dear Sirs
Ref: PCN VRM
I make this collateral challenge against the PCN as it departs
very substantially from the statutory scheme because it not only
incorrectly states the 14 days and 28 days periods in which to
pay, but also it expresses the latter period in two conflicting
ways.
Therefore, please cancel the PCN forthwith.
The legislation, of which I am sure you are aware, is here:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
8(a)(iii)
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
Similarly, the 14 days period is also incorrect.
iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the
period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the
amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified
proportion;
I believe it would be eminently sensible to resolve this matter
now without the need for independent adjudication.
Yours faithfully
Name
Address
#Post#: 14799--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 1, 2024, 4:45 pm
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[member=61]privates[/member] go with Hippocrates's draft,
frankly as long as you don't miss the deadlines you can't really
lose a case like this.
However you know that the post is hit and miss with your
letterbox, so do not rely on the postman. You need to keep
checking the council website to see what stage the PCN is at.
#Post#: 15080--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: privates
Date: February 5, 2024, 10:22 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=1252.msg14267#msg14267
date=1706119756]
> [quote]wanted to know if there is any grounds of appeal for
this PCN?
--- End Quote ---
The PCN may contain fatal errors, although I see none, but I'm
not totally up-to-speed on the LLA & TfL Act 2003, so see what
the others say. You could of course, submit reps on the basis
that nothing in their video or photos shows the sign you
ignored.
[/quote]
Dear Sirs
Ref: PCN VRM
I make this collateral challenge against the PCN as it departs
very substantially from the statutory scheme because it not only
incorrectly states the 14 days and 28 days periods in which to
pay, but also it expresses the latter period in two conflicting
ways.
Therefore, please cancel the PCN forthwith.
The legislation, of which I am sure you are aware, is here:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
8(a)(iii)
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
Similarly, the 14 days period is also incorrect.
iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the
period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the
amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified
proportion;
I believe it would be eminently sensible to resolve this matter
now without the need for independent adjudication.
Yours faithfully
Name
Address
[/quote]
Sent through just now - Appreciated !!!
#Post#: 20012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Failing to drive in the direction shown (Proceeding in wrong
direction)
DIR By: privates
Date: April 19, 2024, 1:53 pm
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Reply with rejection for the following reasons :
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