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Dart charge
DIR By: unknowndriver
Date: January 15, 2024, 3:54 pm
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Hello all,
Just need some help with this Dart charge PCN, hopefully its in
the right section, please move if need be.
I received this early last week, set it aside and forgot about
it until i uncovered it today. Never received a Dart charge
before so im unsure of the time constraints of this, the PCN is
for October last year but dated of this month.
What happened was i forgot to pay the charge the next day and i
paid it the day after. so went through dartford on 11th and
didnt pay before midnight of 12th and paid early morning of 13th
October. I knew it was 50/50 so i waited out till December and
since i didnt get anything back i assumed it was okay. I also
have gone on to the website to see if there is a PCN appeal
option and after entering ref number, it states there are no
outstanding PCN not sure if that would update if its after the
28 days or not.
are there grounds for receiving it late or is this timeframe
normal?
Any help appreciated
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 15, 2024, 5:07 pm
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Read this 2018 adjudication by the Chief Adjudicator of the
Traffic Penalty Tribunal, Caroline Sheppard, (she's now
retired). {file attached]
Here is what is authorised for content of a Road User Charge PCN
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/1783/regulation/7/made
There is no time limit for service of an RUC PCN, but anything
over 3 months is usually regarded as unfair. Here they are
bordering on that, so mention the inordinate delay in your reps.
To get a result you'll probably have to take them to the Traffic
Penalty Tribunal.
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: January 16, 2024, 2:53 am
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Because of the likelihood of needing to go to tribunal, I would
make an apologetic representation to the effect that you are
sorry that the payment was slightly delayed and evidence the
payment on the 13th don't go in with all your ammo as you want
to garner a bit of sympathy. Dart are historically one of the
more reasonable authorities though that does seem to be changing
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: unknowndriver
Date: January 26, 2024, 12:33 pm
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Apologies for coming back to this late
Just so i understand this. if i make a representation for the
bordering inordinate delay and provide the receipt that i still
paid albeit a day late (as was the case in the pdf attached) it
will most likely go to tribunal and then is there the chance of
of them accepting it or me having to pay the full amount? Just
asking what the likelihood scenario could be.
Also is there an old draft maybe that i could possibly use for
this representation or because it will go tribunal, it doesnt
matter and i should just write as best as i can?
Thanks for your answers
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 26, 2024, 12:53 pm
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I suspect DART, like Bristol don't want anybody official looking
at their "nice little earner", so will probably fold at the door
of the tribunal. The case against them putting the toll fee onto
the PCN looks unanswerable to me.
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: unknowndriver
Date: January 27, 2024, 6:26 pm
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Thanks for getting back
I am going to appeal, i have 3 days from today till it increases
past £72.50, just by understanding what you have mentioned,
would i then be inclined to select this as the reason:
"The penalty charge exceeded the amount that applied in the
circumstances
This means Dart Charge has asked for more than they are entitled
to under the relevant regulations. This is £70."
Or to none of the above and mention it all myself? sorry for the
continuous asking, just want to whether i choose an option or if
i dont will have any bearing to the appeal
Thanks
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 27, 2024, 7:03 pm
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It is "procedural impropriety", the same grounds as per the 2018
TPT case I gave.
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: unknowndriver
Date: January 29, 2024, 3:14 pm
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I have made an appeal, they said expect a response within 56
days, i will update when i receive something
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: January 29, 2024, 3:29 pm
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--- Quote from: unknowndriver link ---
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> I have made an appeal, they said expect a response within 56
days, i will update when i receive something
>
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Keep a screenshot/hard copy of the receipt/acknowledgement.
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Re: Dart charge
DIR By: unknowndriver
Date: April 6, 2024, 9:53 am
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Hello,
Coming back to this, I received a response and they offered a
discretionary payment to which I did pay. It was another amount
of £2.50 which means I paid £5 all in all. A better amount that
£72.50
Thank you to all that helped and for the previous case study
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