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       #Post#: 132002--------------------------------------------------
       Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: Curliness8852
       Date: October 2, 2026, 3:14 pm
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       Hello,
       My car was used to pick someone up from Southend Airport Station
       this evening. The driver pulled into the express drop off area
       as there are no signs saying about charges. In the area, there
       are signs everywhere saying don't forget to pay, but from what
       could be see, not a single one saying what the charges are, just
       saying 10 minutes max stay. There is a pay machine near the
       exit, but this requires a ticket and does not list charges for
       the express drop off area - it appears to be for the neigbouring
       short stay.
       I will pull the dash cam footage tomorrow to grab details of
       visible signage.
       Having googled since leaving, it turns out that there is a £8
       fee.
       Based on the lack of signage, and airports being relevant land,
       are we likely to win an appeal when the inevitable ticket
       arrives, or should we suck it up a d pay the £8 fee? The vehicle
       was stationary longer trying to find signs than the time for the
       passenger actually getting into the car!
       I'll update with still from the dashcam tomorrow evening if
       useful, as Google maps has old imagery.
       #Post#: 132006--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: BigBazz45
       Date: October 2, 2026, 4:51 pm
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       --- Quote from: Curliness8852 link ---
       >
       > Hello,
       > My car was used to pick someone up from Southend Airport
       Station this evening. The driver pulled into the express drop
       off area as there are no signs saying about charges. In the
       area, there are signs everywhere saying don't forget to pay, but
       from what could be see, not a single one saying what the charges
       are, just saying 10 minutes max stay. There is a pay machine
       near the exit, but this requires a ticket and does not list
       charges for the express drop off area - it appears to be for the
       neigbouring short stay.
       >
       > I will pull the dash cam footage tomorrow to grab details of
       visible signage.
       >
       > Having googled since leaving, it turns out that there is a £8
       fee.
       >
       > Based on the lack of signage, and airports being relevant
       land, are we likely to win an appeal when the inevitable ticket
       arrives, or should we suck it up a d pay the £8 fee? The vehicle
       was stationary longer trying to find signs than the time for the
       passenger actually getting into the car!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Looking at the Southend Airport website
  HTML https://express.londonsouthendairport.com/
       you've got until
       midnight tomorrow to pay the fee, so it's not too late to deal
       with the matter before it escalates.
       #Post#: 132007--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: Curliness8852
       Date: October 2, 2026, 5:27 pm
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       I know I can pay now to avoid the fine outright, but given there
       was no indication of having to pay until pulling in, and even
       then to indication ofnwhat the fee was, I'm loathed to pay them
       if their lack of signage saying the fee is sufficient to dispute
       it. If it's not, then obviously I would rather just pay the fee.
       #Post#: 132018--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: October 3, 2026, 2:32 am
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       In my opinion you should pay £8 and be done with it. It’s likely
       to cost you time and effort contesting this, I believe the car
       parks are operated by VCS who are nasty and litigious and may
       well take you to court if you do not pay. Even if you do not
       identify the driver and appeal on the basis of the location not
       being “relevant land” they will dismiss your appeal with a load
       of rubbish and issue a county court claim in due course. You are
       right that if signs are unclear then you might get the IAS to
       uphold an appeal on this basis, but they only uphold a small
       number of appeals referred to them. Honestly, for £8 it’s not
       worth months of hassle in my opinion.
       From what has been described, you’re not being penalised in any
       way, the fee if paid is the same as it would have been at the
       time. I don’t see the point of going down a path of not paying
       and contesting the relatively small amount, it’s not as if
       you’re now required to pay £100 if I understand this correctly.
       #Post#: 132019--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: October 3, 2026, 2:32 am
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       If you don’t agree, then I suggest you search the forum for
       other cases at the same location.
       #Post#: 132099--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: SouthLondoner123
       Date: October 4, 2026, 9:53 am
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       Even if you do not identify the driver and appeal on the basis
       of the location not being “relevant land” they will dismiss your
       appeal with a load of rubbish and issue a county court claim in
       due course.
       [member=636]jfollows[/member] , I understand your point about £8
       possibly not being worth the time and hassle.
       However, is that the only point you are making?
       Or are you also saying that there is a chance that, if it gets
       to court, a court might find against the OP? Are there
       precedents on this?
       It is one thing to tell the OP:
       you are very likely to win, but it will cost you a lot of time,
       so you might want to consider paying £8 now
       and quite another to tell them:
       this may go to court, and, actually, the chance of you winning
       is not that high, it could go either way
       #Post#: 132106--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: October 4, 2026, 10:50 am
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       It's pretty irrelevant.
       If the original poster didn't pay the £8 yesterday, they're
       likely to be invoiced by VCS for £100, taken to court and
       possibly even forced to attend court. For £8 this doesn't make
       sense. They might also lose in court and have to pay more like
       £200 with costs.
       Search the forum for VCS if you haven't done so already.
       #Post#: 132108--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: SouthLondoner123
       Date: October 4, 2026, 11:03 am
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       Again, I understand your point about a small sum not being worth
       the hassle, but that was not my question.
       I understand that VCS is more litigious than other firms and
       more likely to take a motorist to court, whereas eg DCB Legal is
       notorious for rarely doing so. But that was not the question,
       either.
       To be clearer, my question was:
       what are the legal precedents when these firms take the
       registered keeper to court?
       Do courts tend to accept that liability can never be transferred
       to the registered keeper?
       Do courts ask the defendants if they were driving, and, if yes,
       then they find against them?
       I have not been able to find answers to these questions. That's
       why I was asking. I think it would be useful context for the OP
       #Post#: 132109--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: jfollows
       Date: October 4, 2026, 11:12 am
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       You're not researching by searching the forum.
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4
       is the
       legal framework under which liability can be transferred.
       Most cases never go to court but, yes, if they ever do nobody
       should open themselves up to a perjury charge by lying.
       Many of these firms take people to court by raising a claim,
       which costs nothing, and by collecting when the defendant
       doesn't respond.
       All very well documented here,
       Look up how many claims are not defended and therefore given a
       judgment in default in favour of the claimant.
       You are jumping on tried, tested and documented examples which
       you can find here.
       I don't think this discussion is helping the original poster in
       any way, but feel free to open up a new thread if you want to
       engage further is my suggestion.
       #Post#: 132110--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Southend Airport Express Drop Off
   DIR By: SouthLondoner123
       Date: October 4, 2026, 11:18 am
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       Again, my questions remain unanswered.
       Yes, I did search both this forum and MoneySavingExpert.
       Yes, I know about the Protection of Freedom Act.
       Yes, I understand that a court outcome can never be guaranteed.
       No, it never crossed my mind that anyone should ever lie in
       court.
       But my questions remain.
       What are the precedents on this?
       Can a court ask if the Defendant was the driver, and, if so,
       find against them?
       Can a court not find against the Defendant, even if they were
       the driver, because they should have been identified earlier in
       the process as the driver?
       If the registered keeper can prove they were not the driver, can
       the Court ask them who was the driver and find against the
       driver?
       I searched this forum and MSE but I have not found answers on
       these points.
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