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       #Post#: 131051--------------------------------------------------
       PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: JLA
       Date: September 21, 2026, 8:40 am
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       Got this from PCM in the post on 17/9 - 6 days after the date of
       issue (11th). No date stamp on envelope.
       Just wanted to ask advice as to whether or not it's fully
       compliant with PoFA. The notice gives 14 days from the date of
       issue, which was the 11th to pay at the reduced rate, if it's
       not paid by then the full amount is due. The PCM website also
       states there are 4 days left from today (21st) to pay the
       reduced amount which means it has to be paid by the 25th which
       is 2 days less than it should be as it does not take into
       account any days for postage. The 11th was a Friday so that
       means the next working day for delivery would have been Tue15th
       (got it on 17th no date stamp on envelope).
       The notice then states 'if after a period of 28 days beginning
       with the day after that on which the notice is given'. This is
       very confusing as I'm not sure what they mean as it's not
       clearly stated.
       The notice states the reason for the parking charge being issued
       as: Permit Holders Only (ANPR). It says the vehicle was parked
       on private land in breach of terms and conditions at
       Silverworks, Grove Park London NW9 ODD. There are no photo's of
       the vehicle parked anywhere, the same 2 photo's are on the
       notice and their website showing the vehicle being driven on a
       road and beneath the image it says Silverworks.
       On the notice it states the location as Silverworks, Grove Park
       NW9 0DD. It doesn't give an exact location, this is very
       confusing as NW9 0DD is the postcode for the road called Grove
       Park which is a public highway which is regulated by the local
       authority of Brent Council which would surely mean that PCM have
       no authority to issue a parking charge for that road. You access
       Silverworks Close from Grove Park.
       Silverworks is a development split into 6 seperate blocks/areas
       which are all accessed via Silverworks Close. All 6 areas have
       different post codes within Silverworks Close: NW9 0FB, 0FA,
       0FG, 0FD, 0DW, 0EE.
       So, can I appeal on these two grounds as the notice doesn't
       fully comply with PoFA? Have uploaded NtK both sides and
       screenshot of PCM Website.
       Thanks.
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       #Post#: 131069--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: Sander333
       Date: September 21, 2026, 11:00 am
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       Yes the postcode does appear to be a public highway as it
       encompasses Grove Park. There appears not to be a period of
       parking. If photographs of the sign’s were available this may
       assist.
       You can appeal that the PCN does not comply with POFA as the
       registered keeper.
       #Post#: 131071--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: September 21, 2026, 11:25 am
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       How big is the 'Silverworks' development? Any argument about
       failure to specify the relevant land as per PoFA may well depend
       on the size of the apparent site (although an incorrect postcode
       may also help).
       --- Quote from: Sander333 link ---
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       > There appears not to be a period of parking.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There's an entry and exit time, and a duration. Arguments about
       consideration and/or grace periods notwithstanding, it'd be an
       uphill battle to argue they failed to specify the period of
       parking.
       #Post#: 131083--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: JLA
       Date: September 21, 2026, 12:12 pm
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       Don't know actual size of development but have added link to
       overview of it. Also pics showing approach to Silverworks Close
       from Grove Rd and signage in Silverworks Close.
       Is there any appeal points in the confusing timescales for
       payment?
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       #Post#: 131088--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: Sander333
       Date: September 21, 2026, 1:05 pm
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       Whether the entry sign provides sufficient information to warn
       any driver is debatable as it does  mention that there are signs
       available further along. However I have looked at some other
       sites and This particular close has the post code OFD amongst
       others so the specific postcode may not be accurate.
       It would possibly be stretch to put forward entry and exit ANPR
       times if 20 minutes has elapsed but in my opinion it does not
       give an accurate period of parking.
       #Post#: 131154--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: JLA
       Date: September 22, 2026, 4:31 am
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       So, there's no realistic argument in the fact that Silverworks
       Close is private land and Grove Road is enforced by Brent
       Council and is not private land?
       #Post#: 131188--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: Sander333
       Date: September 22, 2026, 9:18 am
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       If there is a specific post code Silverworks close and they have
       not used that it may well void the charge. As accuracy is
       important when you enter into a contract. Ultimately it may be
       for a court to decide. You can appeal and see what they say.
       #Post#: 131197--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: JLA
       Date: September 22, 2026, 10:49 am
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       In the Silverworks development there are 6 areas divided into
       various apartment, houses and terraces each coming under their
       own name ie: Trent House, Woodcroft Apartments, Barnham Terrace
       etc, but all 6 are listed as being in Silverworks Close and each
       one has a different postcode within Silverworks Close, as listed
       above. None of the postcodes relate to Grove Park, the postcode
       for that is NW9 0DD as stated on the NtK and this road falls
       under the jurisdiction of Brent as it is a public road whereas
       Silverworks Close is private land.Do you think this would be a
       credible appeal point?
       #Post#: 131306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: Sander333
       Date: September 23, 2026, 1:16 pm
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       Of course you need to appeal in order to ensure that any parking
       charges are issued correctly if not they should be withdrawn in
       the interests of fairness. Although fairness is not the primary
       objective of the parking company.
       #Post#: 131356--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM PCN Confusing location/timescales
   DIR By: JLA
       Date: September 24, 2026, 5:07 am
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       Was going to submit this appeal to PCM today, would appreciate
       advice on whether my reasons for appeal are valid. Thanks.
       I am appealing this parking charge as the registered keeper as
       the notice is not fully compliant with PoFA 2012 for for
       following reasons:
       1. The location stated on the notice is ambigous. PoFA 2012
       states:
       9(1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for
       the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with
       this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
       (2)The notice must—
       (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked
       and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
       The notice states the reason for the parking charge being issued
       as: Permit Holders Only (ANPR). It also states that signage is
       clearly displayed throughout the area. It says the vehicle was
       parked on private land in breach of terms and conditions at
       Silverworks, Grove Park London NW9 ODD. There are no photo's of
       the vehicle parked anywhere, the same 2 photo's both on the
       notice and the PCM website show the vehicle being driven on a
       road and beneath the photo's it says Silverworks.
       The notice states the location as Silverworks, Grove Park NW9
       0DD. It doesn't give an exact location, this is very confusing
       as NW9 0DD is actually the postcode for the road called Grove
       Park which is a public highway that comes under the statutory
       authority of the London Borough of Brent. This road is not
       private land therefore PCM have no authority to issue a parking
       charge for that road.
       Silverworks is a development split into 6 seperate blocks/areas
       which are all accessed via Silverworks Close. All 6 areas have
       different post codes within Silverworks Close: NW9 0FB, 0FA,
       0FG, 0FD, 0DW, 0EE. None have the postcode NW9 0DD.
       This is very confusing as it names two seperate locations that
       come under different regulations regarding the issuing of
       parking charge notices and the signage they quote clearly does
       not relate to Grove Park NW9 0DD which is a public road.
       2. PoFA 2012 schedule 4 clause 8 states:
       NOTE 2: A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the
       contrary is proved, to have been delivered on the second working
       day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose,
       “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a
       public holiday in England and Wales. Therefore, parking
       operators must retain a record of the date of posting of a
       notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g.
       the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it
       in the postal system.)
       The notice gives 14 days from the date of issue, which was the
       11/9/26 to pay at the reduced rate of £60.00, which means it
       would have to be paid by the 25/9/26, if it's not paid by then
       the full amount is due. The PCM website also states there is 1
       day left from today (24/9/26) to pay the reduced amount which
       again means it has to be paid by the 25/9/26 which is 4 days
       less than it should be as it does not allow any extra days for
       postage. The 11th was a Friday which means the second working
       day for delivery would have been Tue15/9 (but actually received
       it on 17th no date stamp on envelope). This means the last date
       for payment (14 days from 15/9) at the reduced amount should be
       29/9/26.
       I would therefore ask that this parking charge be cancelled for
       the reasons stated.
       I have uploaded a screenshot of your website taken today showing
       that there is 1 day left to pay the reduced amount.
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