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       #Post#: 130796--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: InterCity125
       Date: September 18, 2026, 5:48 am
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       Okay, so there is no way that the NtK is POFA compliant as the
       wording required by POFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(f) is not
       present and therefore keeper liability cannot be established.
       #Post#: 130797--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: InterCity125
       Date: September 18, 2026, 5:49 am
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       Have you approached the venue for help on this?
       #Post#: 130799--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: as4356
       Date: September 18, 2026, 5:58 am
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       Exactly, and even in my appeal I didn’t mention that I was
       driving or someone else, I just said “we”.
       #Post#: 130801--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: as4356
       Date: September 18, 2026, 6:01 am
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       No, but I can go today, the only problem is the venue has many
       things inside, cinema, nandos, restaurants, and then there is an
       indoor play area and ten pin bowling. That’s where we went on
       that night. I can go and speak with them but I am sure they will
       just say to appeal the notice, but I will try.
       #Post#: 130807--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: DWMB2
       Date: September 18, 2026, 6:14 am
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       --- Quote from: as4356 link ---
       >
       > there is an indoor play area and ten pin bowling. That’s where
       we went on that night.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Any receipts and/or booking confirmations for these? That,
       combined with your and your partner's accounts of the fact that
       you were using the bay to collect a child would seem to paint a
       pretty strong picture. The signage says you must be
       'accompanied' by a child to use the parent and child bays - it's
       unclear whether that means you must be accompanied when you park
       and when you leave, or just one of those, and in the case of an
       unclear term, contra proferentem would seem to apply:
       Contract terms that may have different meanings
  HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/section/69
       [indent]"If a term in a consumer contract, or a consumer notice,
       could have different meanings, the meaning that is most
       favourable to the consumer is to prevail."[/indent]
       #Post#: 130810--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: as4356
       Date: September 18, 2026, 6:38 am
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       I don't have receipts as we were just there to pick him up, as
       he was there with his aunt playing games that you can play using
       coins. But I have some pictures of him playing there. I
       challenged the PCN with the wording that I put above; if they
       don't accept my appeal, what is the best option for me, please?
       #Post#: 130835--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: Sander333
       Date: September 18, 2026, 10:09 am
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       The appeal as you say has been submitted they may deduce the we
       as the RK unless you specifically mention I then thus would be
       difficult to prove.
       Next step is to await the outcome and then possibly escalate the
       appeal. You will have to await their decision more often than
       not appeal refused.
       #Post#: 130842--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: as4356
       Date: September 18, 2026, 11:43 am
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       No I never said I, only used the word “we”. I included the
       appeal message in one of the previous comments. Will update you
       on the outcome and we can take it from there. Thanks for the
       support guys, finger crossed.
       #Post#: 130884--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: RichardW
       Date: September 19, 2026, 2:42 am
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       Since they want your money, most likely they will refuse your
       appeal.  They are with IPC, so secondary appeal will be to IAS -
       who will almost certainly also reject it (because they work for
       the parking co's and reject >95% of appeals.
       ES will then chase you for payment, adding a £70 'debt recovery
       fee', and sending increasingly shrill and threatening warnings
       letters. Eventually a court claim will be lodged, when there
       should be a good chance of winning, or, as long as you defend
       it, they will bail out before they have to pay the trial fee.
       So when they reject the appeal, and re-offer the discount as a
       'gesture of goodwill' you have to decide whether to pay to make
       it go away, or weather the storm of letters and be ready to
       defend it at court and most likely pay nothing.
       #Post#: 130891--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Urgent!! ES Parking Enforcement PCN – Parent & Child Bay
   DIR By: as4356
       Date: September 19, 2026, 5:19 am
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       What would you say, what’s the best thing to do, if I end up at
       the court, do I have good chance of winning?
       Secondly, if I don’t pay and they keep sending me letters, can
       that affect my credit score? Thanks
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