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Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: ashthemash
Date: September 15, 2026, 1:56 pm
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Hi my challenge to PCN has been rejected. I sent a challenge
based on confusion caused by the various non legal grounds on
the waltham forest website as well as the multitude of signs
which are confusing to the driver as well as the sign on the
right missing.
I need to lodge an appeal to the tribunal and would appreciate
some guidance.
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 15, 2026, 2:54 pm
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We can't view the video because you've blanked out the reg
number and PCN number. All you need to blank out is name and
address. These are civil penalties with vehicle owner
responsible for paying or appealing, not the driver.
So either give us the two items or post the video yourself.
It'll be on their website. GSV is not up-to-date unfortunately.
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: catnip
Date: September 15, 2026, 4:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> We can't view the video because you've blanked out the reg
number and PCN number.
>
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The details can be found on one of the posted documents:
PCN - FR69273085
VRN - KN65JVA
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 15, 2026, 6:00 pm
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OK, I've looked at the video, which shows your car driving past
the sign without any hesitation at all. As you say, there are
only two signs and the one that is there is mounted excessively
high, but their camera doesn't really show how high it is in
comparison to the others. It would assist your case if you
decide to take them to London Tribunals if you show a photo
taken from the driver's viewpoint, because GSV is out-of-date,
so we can't use an extract from that. It is commonplace for
adjudicators to use GSV so a photo would assist them.
There is the aspect of their website, but Hippocrates is better
than me on this aspect so wait a bit for his input.
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: ashthemash
Date: September 18, 2026, 5:19 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OK, I've looked at the video, which shows your car driving
past the sign without any hesitation at all. As you say, there
are only two signs and the one that is there is mounted
excessively high, but their camera doesn't really show how high
it is in comparison to the others. It would assist your case if
you decide to take them to London Tribunals if you show a photo
taken from the driver's viewpoint, because GSV is out-of-date,
so we can't use an extract from that. It is commonplace for
adjudicators to use GSV so a photo would assist them.
>
> There is the aspect of their website, but Hippocrates is
better than me on this aspect so wait a bit for his input.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you very much. I reached out to Hippocrates via Whatsapp
but he is tied up with other things at the moment.
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 18, 2026, 5:41 am
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--- Quote from: ashthemash link ---
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> [quote author=Incandescent
link=topic=11972.msg130548#msg130548 date=1789513220]
> OK, I've looked at the video, which shows your car driving
past the sign without any hesitation at all. As you say, there
are only two signs and the one that is there is mounted
excessively high, but their camera doesn't really show how high
it is in comparison to the others. It would assist your case if
you decide to take them to London Tribunals if you show a photo
taken from the driver's viewpoint, because GSV is out-of-date,
so we can't use an extract from that. It is commonplace for
adjudicators to use GSV so a photo would assist them.
>
> There is the aspect of their website, but Hippocrates is
better than me on this aspect so wait a bit for his input.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you very much. I reached out to Hippocrates via Whatsapp
but he is tied up with other things at the moment.
[/quote]
OK. So if you can get a photo of the sign as seen by a motorist,
it coud be of benefit if you decide to take them all the way.
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Re: Waltham Forest - PCN challenge rejected by the council
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 18, 2026, 6:14 am
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Can I check a few basics pl.
Are you the registered keeper and was the PCN addressed to you?
Is the NOR similarly addressed?
Pl post your actual reps.
If these refer to aspects of their website then the burden lies
with you to prove, so where's this objective evidence pl?.
The penalty is already at the full amount, therefore you lose
nothing by registering an appeal. You do not need to make it in
detail at this stage, but if you are intending to introduce new
grounds in addition to those already raised in your reps then I
suggest you put them here for comment first.
Latest date of 28-day period is 22 Sept.
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