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Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: Hardwired7223
Date: September 15, 2026, 6:45 am
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Hi All,
Another day another unexpected parking ticket!
I went out with the family for a birthday meal, parked in a
parking space on the road and although we checked the
operational hours for buying a ticket (0800-2000), there was a
ticket on the car on our return.
Here's the ticket:
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Here's the google maps streetview link
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I took photos of the signage on the road and can now see that
the yellow clearway sign states 8pm - 8am for the restriction,
so all other times will require a parking ticket. Another thread
on this is here:
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/>and is basically for the same issue.
My question about this is whether an appeal is likely to succeed
given that there does appear to have been a violation due to not
seeing or reading the clearway hours correctly and therefore
assuming it was fine to park there after 8pm?
#Post#: 130474--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 15, 2026, 8:14 am
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As you note we've seen this one before and so have a lot of
drivers in Manchester judging by this:
HTML https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/drivers-hit-fines-manchester-city-34310028
It's not clear why they ban overnight parking there but note
it's not a clearway just a yellow line with usual exemptions
such as 3 hours for blue badge holders, and boarding and
loading.
Also as you were in a designated parking place the CEO has
allowed the 10 minute grace by issuing at 20:14.
The traffic order is in this FOI thread:
HTML https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/st_john_street_parking_restricti
i think best advice is to pay the discount but wait for others
to have a look.
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 15, 2026, 8:53 am
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The sign you've posted is not prescribed in these circumstances
and confusing, therefore unenforceable IMO.
Is this the authority's evidence? Can you post a link to their
photos pl.
The prescribed form states that the parking AND no waiting
should be located on the same post, the parking traffic sign
being the lower. See p 171
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IMO, you could persuade an adjudicator on this point.
You parked in a parking place marked with prescribed road
markings. You would therefore expect to see a prescribed traffic
sign in the vicinity detailing the restriction e.g.
days/hours/payment etc. There isn't any such sign.
You're left to wonder and wander until you see the Pay Here
sign. But of itself this doesn't tell the permitted parking
times.
What does the ticket machine say?
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 15, 2026, 9:13 am
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I agree with tincombe but don't think it's enough to persuade an
adjudicator as the yellow line is what it is.
Manchester pay bays are mostly signed 'pay at machine' I think
so they have been lazy and just kept those and added an entirely
separate yellow line regime without combining the signs as the
traffic signs manual stipulates.
As we have no decision register outside London the only way to
find out if the tribunal will allow an appeal is to go through
the process but you can ask Manchester to justify its departure
from the TSM.
#Post#: 130507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 15, 2026, 1:10 pm
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TPT do have a statutory register, but it's not searchable
on-line unlike London Tribunals. They get away with this as
adjudications are not courts of record, as I understand it, but
there can be no legal reason as far as I can see, or else LT
would have been walloped years ago
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: Hardwired7223
Date: September 16, 2026, 4:49 am
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--- Quote from: tincombe link ---
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> What does the ticket machine say?
>
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Here are the photos we took after seeing the ticket on the
car...
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To the left of the car, there was a ticket machine and there was
a post, next to a tree, near to that.
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 16, 2026, 5:00 am
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But this is NOT the council's evidence, it's yours.
Why would you want to throw the council a lifeline?
And there's something odd about the timings here. The PCN obs
time of 8.11 suggests that the car was parked during the period
8pm to 8.11pm (thereby giving you 10 minutes' 'grace') and that
therefore you parked before 8pm, in which case you should have
paid. But you've not mentioned paying.
When did you park and did you pay?
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: Hardwired7223
Date: September 16, 2026, 5:05 am
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Hi [member=7970]tincombe[/member],
We parked there after 8pm... if I were to be exact, it was at
20:01-20:02 as we arrived there earlier, went around the block
in traffic and then came back, after seeing no other space and
assuming that it was free to park at after 20:00, therefore we
did not buy a ticket.
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: tincombe
Date: September 16, 2026, 10:04 am
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Thanks.
That the CEO appeared soon after suggests that this is a
priority restriction to be enforced/a confusing arrangement
which generates plenty of penalties.
Why the CEO did not include the photo you've taken is anyone's
guess.
Although their sign is not prescribed for a shared use/no
waiting parking place, there is one at the machine. And it is
only this machine which gives you the operational hours of the
parking place: Mon-Sun, 8am-8pm, and you couldn't miss the no
waiting times if you'd gone to the machine, which IMO an
adjudicator would find that you should have done.
If somehow you could make informal and then formal reps without
them coming back with a photo of the sign by the machine, then I
think you could succeed on the basis of the other photo whose
relevance to where you parked is not established in that photo:
it could be anywhere.
But it's a hell of a risk.
Try informal reps, terribly sorry, did not see anything which
suggested that a no waiting restriction applied when I parked
..and see what they say.
Wait for others (and while you do post the back of the PCN) and
I suggest you post a draft here first. The 14-day period ends on
23rd.
And for info, the plan showing the parking place is not correct:
each section is separated by DYL, therefore it is not a correct
configuration because it is not a continuous parking place, but
with a built-out area of footway with trees by way of
decoration, it is separate parking places, each terminated where
they've placed DYL, exactly where the machine is located.
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Re: Manchester - Code 01 - Parked in a restricted street during
prescribed hours - St John Street, paid parking bays
DIR By: Hardwired7223
Date: September 16, 2026, 3:29 pm
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Thanks, all.
Here's the back of the PCN (apologies for not adding it
earlier)...
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