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       #Post#: 130410--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: 666
       Date: September 14, 2026, 10:56 am
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       --- Quote from: skelligs123 link ---
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       > Thanks Andy.
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       > I dont think the follow-on question was answered earlier
       (unless I missed it)
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       > I probably didnt word it very clearly.  So the scenario I'm
       trying to understand is:
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       > 1. I've closed off the first offence as a Fixed Penalty and
       paid the penalty fee
       > 2. Then I go to the magistrate's court and she/he agrees that
       both should have been treated as a single offence.
       > 3. The 2nd offence then falls away
       > 4. I leave the court without (a) paying court fees, (b) paying
       any fine (calculated as a % of monthly salary) and (c) receiving
       the additional points on my license.
       >
       > Is point 4 correct?
       >
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       Only if the magistrates (3 of them) agree with you. If they
       don't, you'll have another 3 points and be about £1,000 out of
       pocket.
       #Post#: 130894--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: skelligs123
       Date: September 19, 2026, 5:50 am
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       For what it's worth, I've now received the photos and they
       confirm that the elapsed time between the two offences were 1
       min, 1 sec (19:19:05 and 19:20:06) so approx 0.6 miles apart.
       #Post#: 130911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: September 19, 2026, 7:54 am
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       Struggling to see how the timings of the photos determines the
       spacing of the cameras.
       #Post#: 130918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: FuzzyDuck
       Date: September 19, 2026, 8:50 am
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       clocks may not even be that accurate, certainly not sychonised.
       #Post#: 130927--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: skelligs123
       Date: September 19, 2026, 10:05 am
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       --- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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       > Struggling to see how the timings of the photos determines the
       spacing of the cameras.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I just did the maths assuming that I continued driving at the
       average of 35/36mph for 60 secs.  Appreciate that I could have
       slowed/accelerated during this time but unlikely on a dual
       carriageway in 61 secs.
       But as FuzzyDuck says, the cameras may not be synchronised (with
       NTP or suchlike) so it is a crude enough guess.
       #Post#: 131180--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: JoCo
       Date: September 22, 2026, 7:43 am
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       Not a lawyer but found this post which implies that it is not as
       rigid as saying the two contraventions must be continuous [ in
       the sense that the speed limit exceeded over whole period ]  to
       be regarded as one occasion.
       I offer this, as it may be of interest, not as any advice.
  HTML https://www.motoroffence.co.uk/are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion/
       are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion
  HTML https://www.motoroffence.co.uk/are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion/
       It seems that English law is more relaxed than Scottish law.
       However in the case study provided, the court rejected the same
       occasion argument, finding incidents two miles apart represented
       two distinct incidents.
       #Post#: 131181--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: September 22, 2026, 7:51 am
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       Strangely enough "same occasion" as in "multiple offences
       committed on the same occasion" has a different meaning to
       single continuous offence. Who knew? Apart from anyone who read
       SouthPaw's post earlier in this thread, obviously.
       #Post#: 131203--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
       incident) and taking it to court
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: September 22, 2026, 11:10 am
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       --- Quote from: JoCo link ---
       >
       > Not a lawyer
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       You don’t say!
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       > but found this post which implies that it is not as rigid as
       saying the two contraventions must be continuous [ in the sense
       that the speed limit exceeded over whole period ]  to be
       regarded as one occasion.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes, that’s why the concepts of “a single offence” and “offences
       committed on the same occasion” are different.
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