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Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: 666
Date: September 14, 2026, 10:56 am
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--- Quote from: skelligs123 link ---
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> Thanks Andy.
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> I dont think the follow-on question was answered earlier
(unless I missed it)
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> I probably didnt word it very clearly. So the scenario I'm
trying to understand is:
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> 1. I've closed off the first offence as a Fixed Penalty and
paid the penalty fee
> 2. Then I go to the magistrate's court and she/he agrees that
both should have been treated as a single offence.
> 3. The 2nd offence then falls away
> 4. I leave the court without (a) paying court fees, (b) paying
any fine (calculated as a % of monthly salary) and (c) receiving
the additional points on my license.
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> Is point 4 correct?
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Only if the magistrates (3 of them) agree with you. If they
don't, you'll have another 3 points and be about £1,000 out of
pocket.
#Post#: 130894--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: skelligs123
Date: September 19, 2026, 5:50 am
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For what it's worth, I've now received the photos and they
confirm that the elapsed time between the two offences were 1
min, 1 sec (19:19:05 and 19:20:06) so approx 0.6 miles apart.
#Post#: 130911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 19, 2026, 7:54 am
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Struggling to see how the timings of the photos determines the
spacing of the cameras.
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Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: September 19, 2026, 8:50 am
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clocks may not even be that accurate, certainly not sychonised.
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Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: skelligs123
Date: September 19, 2026, 10:05 am
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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> Struggling to see how the timings of the photos determines the
spacing of the cameras.
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I just did the maths assuming that I continued driving at the
average of 35/36mph for 60 secs. Appreciate that I could have
slowed/accelerated during this time but unlikely on a dual
carriageway in 61 secs.
But as FuzzyDuck says, the cameras may not be synchronised (with
NTP or suchlike) so it is a crude enough guess.
#Post#: 131180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: JoCo
Date: September 22, 2026, 7:43 am
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Not a lawyer but found this post which implies that it is not as
rigid as saying the two contraventions must be continuous [ in
the sense that the speed limit exceeded over whole period ] to
be regarded as one occasion.
I offer this, as it may be of interest, not as any advice.
HTML https://www.motoroffence.co.uk/are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion/
are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion
HTML https://www.motoroffence.co.uk/are-multiple-driving-offences-treated-as-happening-on-the-same-occasion/
It seems that English law is more relaxed than Scottish law.
However in the case study provided, the court rejected the same
occasion argument, finding incidents two miles apart represented
two distinct incidents.
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Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 22, 2026, 7:51 am
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Strangely enough "same occasion" as in "multiple offences
committed on the same occasion" has a different meaning to
single continuous offence. Who knew? Apart from anyone who read
SouthPaw's post earlier in this thread, obviously.
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Re: Advice on two speed cameras (one continuous speeding
incident) and taking it to court
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: September 22, 2026, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: JoCo link ---
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> Not a lawyer
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You don’t say!
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> but found this post which implies that it is not as rigid as
saying the two contraventions must be continuous [ in the sense
that the speed limit exceeded over whole period ] to be
regarded as one occasion.
>
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Yes, that’s why the concepts of “a single offence” and “offences
committed on the same occasion” are different.
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